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[This message has been edited by smartfish (edited February 14, 2004).]

So smartfish, whats the majority problem with you? I'm not trying to sound like a therapist but I know exactly how it feels when you don't know how to start. The truth is, you just do something and you learn more of which route to take as you go. I believe if you give me an idea of what your going through I could give the best advice for types of "things" to do, because I've been there and I know how it feels. It's like it's pushed on you without choice yet you still blame yourself as if "you" some how caused it, or you say "why you wasted so much time". Don't do that man, this life is a learning experience and sometimes these things give us the opportunity to reach beyond it so that our mind becomes "our Tool", everyone in life has to "break the code". I believe anyone and everyone has unlimited abilities to learn, live, and be happy, and we all have our own unique abilites and can learn from each other. Like is it "feelings" or "thought" based or both? Is the content random or does it tend to have somewhat uniform content? Seriously just directing you awareness on your external senses is enough to "interupt" you thought pattern, especially body awareness or the 5 senses one by one. Thats just the tip of the iceberg. Try circular breathing, and then "tune in" to the thoughts, just let them run don't stop them. Then direct your attention outside. I mean thats just one little thing. There's so much more. I really reccomend engaging yourself fully in the moment, that kind of brings us in line with Nature and erases the "egoic mind".

The "Illusion Conclusion"course or www.achoiceexperience.org has tapes and books that help you go through the confusion until you very easily come out the other side with a quiet mind and your natural flow comes out. Sedona method is amazing because it makes aware that subconsiously you've been holding on to feelings instead of letting them go consciously. And Natural Brilliance is the bomb because it makes your direct more attension inside and outside so that your clear and deliberate and more able to easily direct your thoughts and actions to whatever you want.
If you do anything I've noticed that there's a small zone of discomfort at first but the immense joy and freedom that is the "real" awaits you on the other side. One taste of victory and the "anxious zone" won't matter anymore. It's good stuff. I think of it as a kind of journey. So if it's alright could you share what this "thing" is like?(I love the "quotes"!)

Hmmm ...

I ordered and listened to the Illusion Conclusion course. The guy who does it gives me the creeps. I believe he is on a huge power trip. He seemed to be a little too gleeful and almost sadistic in control games he played with the seminar attendants.

Also, he goes on and on about egolessness ... and, quite frankly, the man is more desperate to impress others, in my estimation, that most people I have seen and heard (this includes TV and radio) in my entire life.

He seems to be more about establishing himself as the big wig and playing mind games than anything else.

That course left a major bad taste in my mouth.

I wouldn't recommend it, personally, but it seems you have had a different experience with it, Shane. I have to admit he is interesting ... though much like studying an advanced parasitic life-form is interesting. I like to do that sort of thing from as far away as possible.

I actually don't have that course it's I've just heard a few things and I've used the intro tape techniques from achoiceexperience.com. The techniques are really good for basically letting your mind "run" until it finally runs out and goes quiet, pretty cool. It just helps folks awaken their sensory systems and move along through life changes without resistance and works primarily through thought based techs. The guy does sound like a total powertripping jerk! But beneath all that I think he's just reeeeely confindent in his "enlightenment" and how to bring others to that point.

Did you actually fully participate in it? Or did that guy's voice just totally ruin it? Did it help you in anyway?
I want to get it but I'm thinking just checking out the book or a two tape set would basically cover the same topics.

I got the course on tape.

The guy's voice didn't ruin it. His attitude did. I really feel that he's a phony scumball. It's how he talks to people and treats them.

Somtimes it's subtle and sometimes it's plain out in the open ... he treats people, at times, like a dominant would treat a sub at a fetish party ... only at a fetish party the sub goes to the dom to *be* treated that way. You don't go to a self-help seminar to have a control freak screw with you.

He might actually think that minds are just mechanisms, toys. Some gurus think that way and act accordingly. I think there are may be some stories about Gurdjieff treating people this way.

Frankly, I can't listen to those tapes without getting ****ed off. It ruins whatever benefit they have. Granted, he is really good at screwing with people's minds ... so if you wannna learn how to do that, get the tapes.

thanks shane

well its like i have to overanalyze things and its hard to let it go....and just really dumb rules i have to make up...it feels so chemical but i know that part can change

the change is scary because ur afraid if u take risks u will be in similar situations as before and might have an "attack" or something

dontknow if tht makes sense

btw ur email doesnt work

thanks

Smartfish,

Have you tried behavioral approaches to the issue? Behavioral psychology has had a reputation for being kind of anti-human, but I know of some practitioners that a very humane in their view and approach, and it really can work wonders with a variety of conditions.

It looks like the fear itself may be a (or the) major issue with the thoughts, and I think there are behavioral desensitization approaches that can help you with that.

There's also ACT (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy), that works with a variety of fear related problems.

You might see dramatic changes within a month or so of therapy.