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#20953 04/26/01 02:28 AM
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I have been experimenting with different photofocus gazes and haaave found that if I converge my eyes to a point before the book but allow my focal plane to be on the book - that I still get a blib page and the sof focus look that I get when I use the divergent gaze - but it is easier for me to keep because I hung a piece of black string from my baseball cap in front of my eyes and thus never had a problem keeping my eyes focused on the string.
So, will a convergent gaze work as well as a divergent one?
Spatial Setup: I found it easiest when the pencil or string or whatever you choose to look at is halfway between my eyes and the book. You will notice that the pencil or string can be aligned to be directly in the middle of the blip page. The size of the blib page can be incresed or decreased simply by moving the book back or forward, respectively; or by moving the pencil/string closer to make the blip page bigger aand vice versa.
Second question, does the size of the blip page matter at all?
Lastly, I also noticed a cool effect when I bring the pencil/string to with-in 12 inches of my eyes and then relax my eyes. The pencil/string is out of focus (though my eyes are still fixed on it - thus are giving a converged view of the book)but the book becomes crystal clear and full of depth. Does the hard focused words mean that this particular convergent gaze is not a photofocus state (or will not work as one since I am assuming right now that convergent or divergent gazes does not make a difference)?
If that whole list and discription was not clear then just ask and I will clarify further (or to the best of my ability).

Thank you and I look forward to the answers...







#20954 04/26/01 08:00 AM
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The key to photofocus is not just to see the blip page; it is to engage your unconcious mind. And NO converging your eyes will only strain it. Wouldn't create the relaxed alertness necessary to photoread.

I've been photoreading for 2 months now with significant results without ever seeing the "blip" in the page. I advise you not to rely on the use of strings and pencil.

[This message has been edited by Elmo9 (edited April 26, 2001).]






#20955 04/27/01 10:40 PM
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See pages 44-46 in the PhotoReading book and learn about the different part of your cornea used during regular-reading and PhotoReading.

Converging the eyes would seem to close off even more of your peripheral vision.






#20956 04/28/01 10:13 PM
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Thank you for the quick answers, however, I feel that my argument for convergence vs divergence is not being understood correctly.
To Elmo9: I find it no more difficult or hard to converge my eyes than when I diverge them, in fact - anytime you look at something and it is in focus - your eyes are converging onto that object - one would expect that this is not too stressfull since all day long we are constantly looking at everything around us. Also - you mentioned that you were not using the divergent gaze (which would allow you to see the blib page), you instead are using the soft focus technique which occurs when you relax your lenses such that your focal plane moves to infinity though your eyes remain converged onto the center of the book. Which brings me back to the original question which was, upon looking at something closer than the book and then relaxing my eyes (soft focus) is this not all that is needed to attain "photofocus"? To further clarify, with a convergent gaze, I am essentially doing everything the same as with a divergent gaze (soft focus and the creation of a blip page). Incidently, I do not plan on using this as a normal method for photoreading, I find it simply as a mere curiousity, as it would surely look funny to be in the library with a pencil or string hanging from my hat as a quickly flip through pages - laugh...

To Dana Hanson: Thank you for the reference to pages 44-46. I, at first, wondered about the closing off the peripheral vision you mentioned. Thus I tested it by placing my hands oustretch and see how far to the sides I can see them while using the divergent type of gaze; and then went into convergent type of gaze - and indeed - you are correct - it does close off some peripheral vision - though less than five percent. And to address the other aspect of your answer concerning seeing the page with my peripheral vision - the convergent technique has your center view pegged right in the middle of the object at which you are staring (which lines up directly with the center of the blip page) and everything else including the two pages is seen with the peripheal vision just as with the divergent gaze. Thus - no real difference in the two techniques exist with regard to seeing the two pages with peripheral vision (except that technically - with a divergent gaze, your left eye's peripheral vision sees the left page and the right eye's peripheral vision sees the right page and in a convergent gaze the exact opposite would be true).
Which actually brings up another question - would it make a difference to what percentage the two pages take up your peripheal vision - I would naturally think that the larger the percentage the two pages covers my peripheal vision the more attention the subconcious brain gives it...???
Lastly, I hope that I am not sounding antagonistic with this response- for I am merely curious, thus if I have come across aggressively - it is purely unintentional.

Also - to Elmos9's credit - I have no idea if the soft focus/convergent gaze gives the same relaxed deep alpha or light theta state attained with the soft focus/divergent gaze. Though to me - they aappear to be the same feeling - until an actual scan of someone's brainwaves using the two techniques is performed, that answer will remain unresolvable.
Thus for any newbies who happen to read this who are just learning - I would recomend sticking to Elmo9's advice of using the methods already taught (and not the convergent gaze technique).







#20957 04/29/01 08:36 PM
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"you mentioned that you were not using the divergent gaze (which would allow you to see the blib page), you instead are using the soft focus technique which occurs when you relax your lenses such that your focal plane moves to infinity though your eyes remain converged onto the center of the book."

Actually YES i am using divergent gaze....and i DON'T converge my eyes through the center of the book. I DIVERGE my eyes to the margines. Some mis-understanding.






#20958 05/01/01 11:18 PM
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I'm going to check with Paul S. to find out which way utilizes the most rod vision and post his reply.






#20959 05/08/01 03:54 PM
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Nightwalking uses a near-point gaze to develop "second-sight" or the processing of distant-point information with the periphery of your foveal and macular visual fields. It works for walking around...try staring only at your thumb in front of you while you walk around for a few minutes. I use this as a demonstration in the courses I teach.

PhotoFocus is uses a far-point gaze to develop "second-sight" or nonconscious processing of near-point information on the page. When you do, your eyes relax, your pupils dilate, your eyes take in more information and the brain/body changes state.

I have also found that convergence creates more eye-strain and pupil constriction for most people.

The clarity and 3-dimensionality comes when the focal plane is on the page in front of you. Yes you can get THAT effect with crossed or divergent gaze. I prefer to get it with divergence.






#20960 07/09/01 03:30 AM
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Just the discussion I was looking for, if a bit old . . . my problem is that I _can't_ diverge my eyes. When my eyes relax, they naturally converge - quite extremely, too. So I guess my question is the same at the one originally posed: Can you get a photofocus by converging your eyes? I can get a view where the text goes out of focus, but the things in the periphery get a bit sharper and I think I can see more of it. Is this right? There is another view I can get where I see the two pages overlapped, but I figure my brain will go nuts trying to get something out of that . . .

PS - to DrGecko - when I was about 14 I had this hideous wallpaper in my bedroom, but when I lay on my back, I could let my eyes relax and cross and the pattern would look like it was about 2 feet from my face instead of 7 feet. It was in perfect focus. With practice, I could put my hand out in front without ruining the effect by focusing on it and my hand would look like it passed _through_ the ceiling, but I could still see it. Very cool.






#20961 07/10/01 03:12 PM
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The best way to find out is....try it! See how it works. Post your experiences.

When something doesn't work, make adjustments.

As long as you aren't putting hard focus on single words and paragraphs while flipping, you should be fine.







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