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Ramon:

I really appreciate your comments and thank you accordingly. I totally agree with your observation regarding the proper characterization of the reading enhancement I am seeking. The only reason I phrased it in terms of and "increase of 30 fold" is because my current reading/comprehension speed averages around 350 wpm. Thus, I will henceforth identify my reading enhancement goal as the ability to read and comprehend (75-80%) at a rate just over 10,000 words per minute.

I was particularly intrigued by your comment concerning what I should expect to see from someone who claims to have "mastered" PhotoReading. Somewhat surprisingly, you warned me not expect that person to read at a rate of 12,000 (much less 25,000) words per minute, but someone who will "photofocus, and go through a book, then do a lot of activation procedures." I assume from your statement, however, that the entire process of photoreading, postviewing, speedreading, and any other "activation procedures" will consume a period of time that will be equal to (or less than) a defined number of minutes which can be determined by dividing the total number of words read by 12,000.

I can easily see that the "photoreading" portion of the exercise may only require a fraction of the total amount of time needed to fully "activate" and implement the comprehension and recall process. But in the final analysis, it seems to me that 12,000 (or 25,000) words per minute means just that, namely, the ability to read, comprehend and recall the meaning of printed words at a rate equal to 12,000 (or 25,000) words per minute.

Do you agree with that assessment, or have I misconstrued the reading skill of someone who has truly "mastered" the PhotoReading system taught by PLS?

Thanks again for your attention and help.

Steve

You know, Steve, as I was typing it I was thinking the same thing..."Couldn't you just recalculate and come up with an average?" I said to myself...."Hmn..." I replied to myself. "Hey, plus spending 25 minutes actually looking at a book (not counting incubation time) really isn't that unbelievable is it? I mean the photoreading book itself says you'll get the gist in 25 minutes" "Hey...hmn..you're right"

Yeah, I'm pretty sure if you divide it out, you'll get a high wpm number, but haven't figured out what that number is for me yet.

And on second thought, some people can spend only 25 minutes PRing a book and doing procedures and get the gist of it (not counting incubation time).

So basically I just screwed up my entire post.

-Ramon http://razor.ramon.com

Ramon:

I sincerely appreciate your candor. Wish me luck on locating someone who has become sufficiently proficient with the techniques of the PhotoReading program that they can read and comprehend (75%) 12,500 words per minute. As successful as the program appears to be, there must be such person out there somewhere.

Steve

possible calculation:

200 wpm (avg) * 60 m * 10 h = 120 000 words in a book

Photoreading:

200 min = 1/3 of 10 hrs

120000 words/200 min = 600 wpm, which of course is 3x the original wpm

so, if you wanna avg 12K wpm (reading same amount of material):

120000 words/12000 wpm = 10 minutes

So, this in this 10 min, you would preview/PR/activate and get 75% comprehension, which isnt really probable unless you have spontaneous activation (activating takes at least 30 min for once thru)

so, i think when they say 25 000 wpm, i think they mean ONLY the PR step....

...unless i'm totally wrong.

Ahdy,

Thanks for doing the math...I'm completely god-awful at it, and didn't even want to attempt figuring out where to start.

It explains the 5 years I spent in prison immediately after doing my tax forms...stupid decimal places and tax evasion laws...crummy...grrrr...

-Ramon http://razor.ramon.com

Hi Steve,
Unfortuantely for you I live in the western part of the US and am not planning to visit Florida anytime soon. Most of my application of PR has been on textbooks and you can find a description of my techniques in this forum by doing a search. I have not yet "mastered" the system but am working on it in a dilligent manner. I am very satisfied with the system as it has enabled me to process texts in a way that I have never been able to do before learning the system.

If I were you, I would learn the system without counting the cost as this can put pressure on yourself that may inhibit the learning of the system itself. That is why it took me so long to learn PR.

If you have aany questions feel free to ask. Good luck.

Gregory

Dear Messrs. Scheele and Bissonette:

It has been suggested that the reading rate of 25,000 (or more) words per minute which is "advertised" ("advocated with emphasis" may be more descriptive) by Learning Strategies Corporation in describing the benefits of learning the technique of PhotoReading applies only to the photoreading segment itself and that such rate does not mean that the reader will be able to immediately "activate" or bring the read material to a conscious state of comprehension and recall until sometime later, and that it is not unusual to see "activation" (or recall with comprehension to a conscious state) occur until the following day.

IS THAT GENERALLY ACCURATE?

Thank you for your attention.

Steve

You are on the right track. Here are a couple of clarifications:

* You cannot "read" at 25,000 words a minute, because most people think of reading as having immediate conscious recognition, although not necessarily comprehension.

* The benefits of PhotoReading come from using the full system, not just the PhotoReading technique.

I'm still searching ....

How many people out there believe they have "mastered" the techniques of PhotoReading sufficiently enough so that they can claim to read a new book at a rate of 5,000 words per minute with 75% short-term recall and comprehension? That is only 20% the reading rate claimed by the sponsors of PhotoReading, but I'll settle for 5,000 words per minute. That is more than ten time my current reading/comprehension rate of about 350 words per minute.

Has anyone been able to read AND comprehend 75% at a rate of 5,000 words per minute?

Steve

I have several books with speedreading tests and on most of them I get 90%. If I cheat and read the questions first I can read faster and most of the time get 100%.

But in reality you aren't always being tested in a multiple choice fassion. YOU have to decide what you want out of a book and the level of comp you want.

There's only so much new info you can actually apply in your life on any given day. I think it's best to PR till you find one concept that you'll actually use, use it and then PR and pick up something else and use that and keep going like that. This is completely different than normal reading. If you spend 5 hours on a book how likely are you to go back and DO everything you learn? Not much especially if you're pressed for time or TIRED of reading.