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Originally posted by anonymousman:

The reason it went this way is because I'm saying there's no reason for an alternative, since the one that's there is perfectly fine. It's like you're asking where the nearest bank is because you need change for a dollar, when there's a change machine right next to you. I'm just saying there's nothing wrong with the change machine.

Theological discussions tend to get very sticky and tense, I know, and my only point was that by using the suggested strategy for going into the accelerated learning state does not go against your religion.

I also know, however, that theology is a very powerful subject to most people, and getting a person to change their mind using logic is impossible. That's half the point: you have faith despite what others say, no matter what.

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The Bible talks about meditation. But the Bible's concept of meditation is not to blank out your mind but to consentrate on something. (Psalm 1:2; Joshua 1:8)

Psalm 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate (Hebrew is hagah meaning to ponder or contemplate) day and night.

1Timothy 4:15 Meditate (Greek is meletao, revolve in the mind, imagine)upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.

It is your opinion that the methods described in this course do not go against this person's religion. But that is "your" opinion. And "your" logic may not be logical to a person who is trying to follow the teachings of the Bible. The Bible most certainly does speak out against being in a state of unawareness and there are numerous warnings about adopting pagan practices. (Deut. 18:10,11; 1 Peter 4:7; 1 Peter 5:8; 1 John 2:15,16)

1Peter 5:8 Be sober,(The Greek is nepho meaning to stay aware) be vigilant; (The Greek is gregoreuo meaning to stay alert, guard your mind) because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Therefore if you are not sober and vigilant the devil will have a chance to get at you. So if for him, the teachings of this course violate his beliefs then it is his right to be concerned. As for me, when the course arrives, I will make my own determination.

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Originally posted by Ragnar1211:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by dc21:
[B]Luke 17:21 states that the kingdom of God is within you. King James Version

Quoting from a bible translation that has over 20,000 known errors is very brave.

Using that quote, prove to me that The statement you made is in harmony with the theme of the entire bible. If you can prove that it must be true, otherwise look deeper.

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Who told you that the KJV has 20,000 known errors? That statement itself is grossly inaccurate.

Guys, with the quarrel between Giancarlo and I in close second, this is by far the thread I hate the most. I just hate it. Someone said his speedreading program is satanic, and we're actually debating this question. It makes me cry. It really does.

Anyway, I really hate discussing religion (especially online) because it turns into a flame war. So in reply to the last post I will take a semi-neutral stance.

Here is a link that contains what many secular people believe are many bible inconsistencies: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

Of course, I said a neutral standpoint, so here's a link to a guy who has attempted to rebuke many of the charges. He outright rebukes a lot of them, actually, pretty darn well. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7273/biblicalcontradictions.html

I leave that up for debate on a theological discussion board. I, however, would like to let this "satanic speedreading program" thread die.

Satan begone!
=)
-Ramon http://razor.ramon.com

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It is your opinion that the methods described in this course do not go against this person's religion. But that is "your" opinion.

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It stopped becoming simply an "opinion" and became an argument when I introduced the logic. The debate up to the point I hightailed out of there was as follows:

Ragnar: I need an alternative method for reaching the Accelerated Learning State. The current method is against my religion.

Me: What religion is this? Since the ALS is really self-hypnosis which is really NLP, and NLP is everywhere and in everything (including daily conversations) I find it hard to believe this?

Ragnar: It says not to leave a space for Satan.

Me: You have to argue first that ALS is Satanic, which MANY people would disagree with. (I note this for timeline reasons, though it should be stated I misinterpreted what he said)

Ragnar: It's not the ALS, but the "emptying of the mind" I am concerned with; if you empty your mind, you leave a space for Satan.

Me: That's semantics; if Scheele said "relax your mind" or simply "relax" the "space" issue is no longer an issue.

This is where I left the debate. As far as I browsed, the thread digressed quickly and became whether or not the Kingdom of God is inside us, and then whether or not the KJV of the bible is right. But the original debate, whether or not ALS is Satanic was I think reasonably closed at that point.

I didn't list it there because it didn't seem of importance (since all he really wanted was an alternative and I gave him one anyway - the eye one) but the other way out is if he said, "While it may be semantics, the case remains that on MY tape it tells me to 'empty my mind', a command I refuse to follow." It was a loophole in the argument, but again, I abandoned it because I gave him an alternative he was looking for.

"And "your" logic may not be logical to a person who is trying to follow the teachings of the Bible."

There's no such thing as "your" logic or "my" logic. It's just logic. Logic is argumentation expressed in algeabraic form. The only difference between sides is the acceptance of various premises. I wasn't arguing whether or not he should follow the Bible, I was saying that his reasons for not entering the ALS were not against HIS OWN interpretation of the bible.

With the argument you now suggest, that the bible speaks out against states of unawareness and that it speaks against pagan practices, there is a COMPLETELY different debate than Ragnar's, which was the space issue.

If he had stated he had problems with states of unawareness or with pagan practices, as you contend now, I would have addressed it differently:

1) Prove to me that the ALS is one of unawareness. It is one of being relaxed, but it is specifically requested not to be sleepy. You are alert. The point of it is to become more focused, if anything.
2) Prove to me that ALS is a pagan practice (I ask not to venture on the second point, because I can tell already how far it will digress).

There's the premises - the logic is universal, the premises aren't; the opinion part comes in on whether or not we agree with point 1 or on point 2. That's why you can say, "If the sky was purple, and a mirror reflects images, then if I look at a sky in the mirror, it would be purple." There's a universal logic. The disagreement is whether or not the sky is purple, which of course, it isn't. But it isn't "my" logic or "yours", it's just a disagreement on premises.

Again, though, I must reiterate; when Ragnar and I were in discussion, his problem was about SPACE, not an unaware state. It was a different argument altogether.

"The Bible talks about meditation. But the Bible's concept of meditation is not to blank out your mind but to consentrate on something. (Psalm 1:2; Joshua 1:8)"

You'll see this part for yourself when the course arrives. Scheele mentions various different images and thoughts for you to concentrate on, like your favorite place or the sensation of breathing out; your mind isn't blank, it IS concentrating.

That was a long post and I understand it isn't very entertaining. I do hope I have explained myself adaquately, however.

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Originally posted by razordu30:
This thread will haunt me until the day I die. Maybe it IS satanic.

Guys, with the quarrel between Giancarlo and I in close second, this is by far the thread I hate the most. I just hate it. Someone said his speedreading program is satanic, and we're actually debating this question. It makes me cry. It really does.

Anyway, I really hate discussing religion (especially online) because it turns into a flame war. So in reply to the last post I will take a semi-neutral stance.

Here is a link that contains what many secular people believe are many bible inconsistencies: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

Of course, I said a neutral standpoint, so here's a link to a guy who has attempted to rebuke many of the charges. He outright rebukes a lot of them, actually, pretty darn well. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7273/biblicalcontradictions.html

I leave that up for debate on a theological discussion board. I, however, would like to let this "satanic speedreading program" thread die.

Satan begone!
=)
-Ramon http://razor.ramon.com

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Here is an e-mail that I sent to a friend. It contains much better sites which discuss so called Bible contradictions.

Hi,
How are you? I pray that all is well.
During your internet browsing you will probably come across sites that claim that the Bible is full of contradictions. Here are a few Christian sites that discuss/debate such issues. They are good sites to bookmark.

1. http://www.datarat.net/DR/S-M-Contra.html
2. http://www.answeringtheatheist.faithweb.com/
3. http://www.gospelcom.net/apologeticsindex/b08.html
4. http://www.cdu.jesusanswers.com/custom.html
5. http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/KingDavid10/Contradictions/Home.html
6. http://thebereans.net/contra-reckon.shtml

Please remember that we as Christians are not called to know everything. There will be questions that we cannot answer. But it is good to know a few things about some of the objections that we will face.
Some suggest that we should ignore such objections. They state that the Bible still has power even if the person that you are witnessing to does not believe in it. Ray Comfort calls this bypassing the intellect. But this is up to you to decide.
What gives sceptics problems with the Bible are not these so called contradictions. The Bible's proclaimation of their state of spiritual death and of their sin is what they despise. Therefore every apologetic "debate" should be brought back to the person of Jesus and to the gospel.

A few examples of common objections:

Do hares chew the cud? (A major muslim argument against the Bible.) http://www.bible-way.net/publications/hares.htm http://www.comereason.org/bibl_cntr/con055.asp

Lev 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

"Lockley goes on to explain that rabbits chew their cuds differently than cows, goats or sheep, which regurgitate their food and rechew it. The rabbit, instead, eats its own excrement (faecal pellets), and thus redigests them. Usually this occurs during the daytime underground as the rabbit is resting."

Insects do not have four legs. ( An argument used by evolutionists.) http://www.inerrancy.org/lev.htm (Focuses on Leviticus.)

Lev 11:20 All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.
21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;

Q: In Lev 11:20-21, is it wrong to say there are four-footed insects (an atheist asked this)?
A: The Hebrew idiom, "on fours" means it does not walk upright. Thus a dog with a leg cut off still goes "on fours." The Hebrews apparently did not have the word parallel. Come to think of it, even in English or Chinese, how would you briefly explain to someone how four-, six-, and many-legged animals all walk in common without using the word parallel?
Even if you do not accept this answer and want to be hyper-literal about this, arithmetic says that any insect that has six legs has four legs, since six is greater than four. Thus any animal that walks on six legs is walking on at least four legs.
http://thebereans.net/contra-r24.shtml

How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem? (a) Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8). (b) Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9). How long did he rule over Jerusalem? (a) Three months (2 Kings 24:8). (b) Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9).

Answer. Those who read and understand how the kings of Judah and the kings of Israel deal with their royal family affairs (like in the line of successions) are aware that joint reigns are common to ensure seamless transitions especially when the king has more than one wife. Thus Jehoiachin was only eight years of age when he was made regent under the supervision of his mother (2 Kings 24:12; Jeremiah 13:11) for his father was already taken captive in Babylon. Then It was only at the 18th year when he reigned alone. As for how long the Jehoiachin reigned both passage are true: Jehoiachin reigned for three months and ten days (or as 2 Kings 24:8 put it in round figure: three months).

When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture? (a) One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4). (b) Seven thousand (1 Chronicles 18:4).

"2 Samuel therefore speaks of 700 companies, 10 horsemen per company while 2 Chronicles speaks of the actual number of the horsemen. This is a usual occurrence in the Old Testament when dealing with numbers. "

Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion? (a) On the cross (Mark 15:23). (b) In Pilate’s court (John 19:14).

Answer. Mark and John used different methods of recording time. Mark (along with Matthew and Luke) used the Hebrew System while John used the Roman System. This is only natural since John wrote the gospel around AD90 in the Ephesus, the capital of the Roman Province of Asia. The Hebrew reckoning divides the daytime into four groups of three hours (a day starts at the evening, cf. Genesis 1:5). The same division used during night. So when it says third hour, it means ¼ of the day has passed, i.e., 3 hours have passed since sunrise. While the Roman system, starts and ends at midnight just like our modern reckoning system (1/24). Now, to answer the question, where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion? He was, using the Roman reckoning of time, at Gabbatha (John 19:13). But using the Hebrew method of reckoning time, he was at the crucifixion. (Mark 15:25)

KJV Defense:
1. http://www.pa-wordoffaith.org/apol.html

Yours In Christ,
Mark