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quote: Originally posted by KWLee: Pardon me if I sound a little slow, Kaiden - I'm not sure I got this right. Did I just understand you to say that you used a question on a public PhotoReading forum to tangent off into your writing practice?
You make it sound so sinister! The question asked was, "Is PhotoReading a religion?" In order to answer that question, the terms "PhotoReading" and "Religion" must both be understood. My purpose was to clarify the criteria of what constitutes a religion. I then proceeded to attempt to show if and where PhotoReading meets those criteria. You see, any system is built from basic operating ideas. Call them axioms, notions, tenets or whatever. PhotoReading, for example, could not exist without the basic operating idea of parts of the mind able which are able to "think" and "know" but which are inaccessable to the conscious mind. This basic operating idea falls into the realm of "epistomology," the study of knowledge. Some religion may have as a core tenet the basic operating idea that there is "soul," which has consciousness and sensation, and "brain" which controls autonomic functions of the body, but which does not have any ability to "know" anything. PhotoReading would contradict this hypothetical religion, because the religion does not hold the basic operating assumption of an other-than-conscious mind to be true. Religion plays a central part in many people's lives, and they hold the basic operating assumption that anything that challenges the basic operating assumptions of their own religion is somehow harmful. However, any basic operating assumption that deals at all with any of the nine catagories is going to "intrude" on the grounds of a properly defined religion. For example, parapsychology (the study of ghosts) deals much with thanatology (the nature of death and what parts of the person continue after death). The existance of ghosts is directly contrary to the beliefs of almost every Christian religion, which have the basic operating assumption of immediate transportation of the severed soul to either Heaven, Hell or Purgatory... but never sticking around for years or even centuries on earth. Does this make sense? [This message has been edited by Kaiden (edited January 25, 2003).]
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quote: Originally posted by Trover: Heh, I understood you Kaiden. Once I ask these questions, am I simply supposed to get a revelation from my sub-conscious to my conscious about the location of the answer/s to my question? And then I'm to super read the text? I'm sorry, but could someone explain super reading and dipping for me?
This is going to sound cheezy, but you actually use the index and table of contents to find out where to look for your answers. It may not be as spectacular as a sudden knowing of the information, of even a sudden knowing of where to look for the information, but it does work. As far as PhotoReading for pleasure, I use regular reading for novels, this forum, and other short things. I use PhotoReading for non-fiction, for "great works of literature" and for other things where I want to have "enough" knowledge. It all depends on purpose, and sometimes your purpose will be to "enjoy a book." However, one can apply the PhotoReading step to "lay the foundation" and then read the book at normal speeds. Others have reported a speed increase from the additional step of PhotoReading.
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Not to be milking this topic beyond its capacity but I believe that the question, "is photoreading a religion?" is also partially answered in my statements around this board dealing with science, and the need for studies. One must perform studies/systematic-observations in order to assess the nature of the phenomena one is dealing with. Photoreading does not do this- but it implies that the other-than-consicious mind has the capabilities which Paul Scheele, and the LSC folks promise it does. In addition to not having "scientific" studies to prove their position they also fail to come up with a philosophical system justifying their promises about how and why the subconscious will work for you. In that sense it can be considered a religion because people who accept their message do so only on faith. And, if they do perceive benefits, than they can be said to accept it on experiential grounds. One must be very careful with those. It does not have any of the other elements usually associated with religion so I would call it good marketing, and the power of subconscious-persuasion- which is, incidentally, well-researched. Thank you for listening, K.Olafsson
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The methods of teaching in school are considered well researched???? Is that why so many people manage to slide throught the system with poor reading comprehension skills?  I've discovered a lot of information about the hows and why photoreading does work. The information / proof is out there. Research data presented by the company as proof will always be subject to doubt. Ironically the proof that photoreading works doesn't and shouldn't come from photoreading itself. Brain research is only now becoming more possible. No one ever proved to me that I can learn... it's just something I've been doing all my life I'm sure that research will one day show the correct mental state one must aquire to learn bungee jumping or tight rope walking in the mean time that's just a skill a some people will learn just for the heck of it. Putting their mind and muscles to work through experience. Does this make bungee jumping a religion? It takes a lot of faith since we don't have wings. Bike riding is a religion? There is no scientific proof that we can balance a bike on 2 wheels (and for that matter not everyone can do it nor wants to do it.) It's a skill that is learnt by doing. Same with photoreading, singing, writing, painting cooking they are skills that are learnt by doing. Throught history we first learnt by saying... show me how you did that. If we always sat back saying no way... give me scientific proof that it can be done no one would have built the motor. Try it and see is how we learn. Alex
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Heh, I titled this thread as I did assuming that it would get more views/responses than another thread entitled, "I don't understand the mechanics of PR, someone please explain it to me". It was partially in jest, too. It's clear that an argument can be made for it in fact being a religion; then again, anything can be a religion.
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I think that you misunderstand my position, Alex.(Yes, I understand that this thread was partially in jest but I feel that it is meaningfull nonetheless). I don't disagree that we learn by doing, and experience. You seem to have a flawed conception of what is meant by using the word "science" or "scientific". The Scientific Method relies on establishing observations that are repeatable- by anyone- and on submitting a given phenomena to a variety of controlled tests, this is to establish as full an understanding of a given phenomena as our senses, acted upon by certain logical patterns-of-thought and metaphysical presuppositions, can provide. I think that Photo-Reading is undoubtably a skill, as you say, that is learnt by doing. This doesn't make it unscientific. In fact, science needs experience and observations to build upon--this aspect is so often misunderstood and misapplied. I'm not criticizing anyone for taking the jump and trying PRing. For that matter, I can too prove to you, most scientifically, that you can learn. I understand that you have to deal with a lot of skepticism-often unfounded- in the world, and, more specifically, in PRing discussions. All I want you to do is to keep in mind the larger considerations of the subconscious mind, and to recognize the need for carefully-designed studies in evaluating PRing as a valid educational tool. Everyone who has benefitted from using PRing should agree with this. Doing such studies, and, on a personal level, experimenting with PRing in a way which keeps science in mind will only improve the chances that more people will gain access to this tool. The mind is an incredibly complex process. With regards, K.Olafsson
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PR=teachings of teachings. Find some answers yourself. If you can read arabic and chinese, you are set to do better than most PR can do. Well... if your mindset is with the east, you have no problems in the west.
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quote: Originally posted by Chang Liu: Well... if your mindset is with the east, you have no problems in the west.
The Western world went through a long period of time where it was assumed that all knowledge was already known. Anything a person could produce, intellectually, was simply a footnote on the Bible and Aristotle. Eastern civilization, on the other hand, did a great deal of "thinking about thinking."
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Thus, Paul rigged another eastern idea for profit. I don't see a 50% contribution to the starving Asian kids fund. Kaiden, I did not "hack" your computer, I was just pinging it. That's what all the packets sent and recieved were. Best of lucky to you people who mock Alex for being flawed. Bah Humbug. [This message has been edited by Chang Liu (edited January 27, 2003).]
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oh who cares if its a religion or not. I dont. Religion isnt something I think about, relationship is.
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