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If you are already using music in the seated meditation for QG1, what would be the detriment in using Holosync music instead?

Yosef:
Excellent question. There has been much discussion and comments on this forum concerning Holosync; you might want to look up these past posts.

In and of itself Holosync is an excellent program: it aims to enhance the meditative state by inducing certain brain wave patterns which are often associated with deeper meditative states. Therefore, Holosync music is pretty much coded music; loosely speaking, somewhat akin to hypnotic meditation (sometimes associated with medical hypnosis). However, this latter point is what might become the "detriment in using Holsync music instead" as you specifically asked.

Before going any further, please understand that I have nothing against the use of Holosync; infact, quiet the opposite; they are doing an excellent job and deserve their due praise and accolades.

However, Spring Forest QiGong (SFQ) is a complete system in and of itself. It works just FINE in and of itself. There is a lot going on in the practice of SFQ: the visualizations, the breathing, the wearing of a smile, the moving of the Qi in and out, the calling upon the Master's energy, and the entering of the silence (to name some of what is happening in the active and passive [meditation] exercies). As your practice deepens, and this all becomes natural to you, and somewhat second nature, you will become a part of and experience the AT-ONE-MENT of the SFQ meditation: the process, experience, and results are synergistic and comprehensive.

Why then would you want to superimpose a scientifically preprogrammed meditative energy system upon something that is already PERFECT? Would you seek to paint the wings of a nightingale, because you have found a beautiful paint? No! I don't think you would.

The music supplied with the SFQ material is just beautiful music. You may use any other music you would like to substitute. But, Holosync music tends to be in a unique energy class.

Later, when you have sufficiently mastered the basics and experienced the distinct and profound effects of SFQ meditation (and do not forget the Active Exercises); then, by all means, experiment to your heart's joy - and then some: because you too are a master awaiting unfoldment; like the butterfly is the caterpillar, and you are me, and all is all - the silence....

Much Love....

Unless you're a beginner, I would recommend no music at all. Music tends to have emotional content, and this engenders an attachment which need not be. It's either a distraction from the silence or one becomes dependent upon it for focusing.

Ultimately, exercise or meditation in the silence is best. Even if you're dependent on the music, a daily morning practice should be done in silence and you can put on your CD or tape later in the day. I never felt comfortable depending on external devices such as CDs or tapes on a permanent long-term basis. Ask yourself the question - What if you were marooned on an island without electricity? (Or a power blackout?) Do you have enough resources within you to continue your practice?

If you cultivate the emptiness in your everyday activities, then it's not much of a chore to enter that state when you do your practice - you're already there. Silent meditation has much to recommend it - never underestimate its value.

Your question about Holosync and SFQ has been asked many times in this forum. Holosync uses a different approach to affecting your energy. Why combine the two together?

Hi Yosef:

I used Holosync tapes for 2 years and they were very helpful to me as a new meditator. Then I took up SFQ and have done it for about 2 years. I do think the Holosync helped train me to get rid of a lot of very deep emotional baggage and to also understand deep meditative states. I stopped using Holosync because I felt tired all the time after listening to the tapes and just sitting there does not train you to discipline your mind and makes for sloppy meditating. With SFQ I never experience this tiredness and my mental control is much stronger now. About a month ago, I purchased an "Insight" tape and have been trying it in the morning while doing SFQ several hours later from 11am to 1pm. Insight is similar to Holosync but using many frequencies rather than just one. It is also much cheaper and so far I am not feeling tired. I think you can combine the high tech with the traditional SFQ but just leave at least 30 minutes to an hour or more between the two very different practices. Try different things (but not too many and not too fast), and always listen to your body as it is incredibly smart as to what is right for you. In the end sometimes I think everything we need is in the Level I course of SFQ and also taking walks or hikes and just helping others... the rest is just confusing details!

Keep going and never give up!
Agent B

Aloha,

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... everything we need is in the Level I course of SFQ

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Much Love, Shawn

Hi
I go along with what Shawn and Agent B say. I had been using Holosync every day for about 18 months before I found SFQ (4 months ago). I loved Holosync because I lacked (what I considered to be) discipline in meditation and I was getting great results from the tapes, and the service provided. It was also a very easy way to achieve good results without any great effort on my behalf.

Since SFQ however, I've found that my meditations enable me to be more mindful, and I'm perfectly happy to spend more and more time practicing and healing myself and others. I have listened to my body and no longer feel the need to use the Holosync tapes.

Hey Yo,
Better late than ever on a response I guess. I don’t think there is any deterrent to any one method being used. Anytime spent in meditation is beneficial. I had used Holosync as well and agree at one point it was necessary during my own personal growth. I am not trying to put it down in anyway but feel that in my own experience it would bring me to a point and that was it. In someway it brings you to a point and holds you there and can be a distraction to your potential progress. In away it was like using training wheels and at some point you have to move on from it. If it is needed in the beginning then so be it but don’t rely on it.

Shr33m mentioned a great analogy to consider and that was if you were on a desert island with no power, walkman, CD player ect, how would you manage. If you are going to spend your invaluable time investing in meditation then why not focus on the gold, the end result is well worth it in the long run. The benefits are that you have no reliance on outside means, better discipline of the mind, your surrounding become part of the experience and so on.

As Shawn stated everything you need is in lvl 1. By following the program you build a foundation, a natural ability to reach the alpha, beta, theta states of the mind. You also open up the door way for going beyond where Holosync can keep you. Sure in the beginning you may have to contend with the babbler more often than desired but this diminishes with time. The best thing is that it diminishes naturally as you focus on self healing by focusing on opening your energy channels. This Holosync can not do for you it will only bring you to a state,,, then what. Why not put the focus and intention where it would do you the most benefit. So I guess ultimately the determent would be to your own path and potential growth.

Thanks for your thoughts, Agent B! I have been doing holosync for close to 2 years and through Centerpoint was introduced to SFQ. Although in my very early days, I feel that it will be far more involved. I also got tired listening to the holosync and began to hate the sound of the water. SFQ appears to be a lot more effort, but hopefully more rewarding and wouldn't take an hour every day.