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#51251 10/06/04 05:20 AM
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I'm confused about Master Lin's breathing instructions. He says on the in-breath the stomach should come in and on the out-breath the stomach should expand. His advice is contrary to every other yoga and qigong teacher I have heard. The typical instruction is that the stomach should expand on the in-breath.

I hope someone can clear up this conflict or my confusion.

Thanks,

Barry

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#51252 10/05/04 07:53 PM
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Master Lin says the lower abdomin, but don't try and bring the lower abdomin in and the upper out.

Just focus on contracting the lower abdomin during the inhalve. Then the lower abdomin moving out during the exhale.

This is different from typical abdomin breathing. It doesn't take long before it becomes natural. Just focus on it for a few breaths then trust to the intent that it will continue in this manner and focus on the other elements of the meditation.

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#51253 10/05/04 10:40 PM
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Hi BarryB,
The most common term for this breathing technique is "reverse breathing". It may be considered a higher level breathing technique, and perhaps, is not taught as readily. I don't know 'the' source of this practice, but I generally associate it with Taoist source, and their contributions to qigong. There is more to breathing, than this physical technique. Listen to, and follow all aspects of breathing given by Master Lin.
I learned reverse breathing prior to SFQ, but I didn't learn other aspects to breathing and visualization, that Master Lin teaches, and that I find very effective and valuable to incorporate, along with reverse breathing.
There are probably a lot of older posts on reverse breathing.
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gallen
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(I heard once of a martial qigong technique, where someone could produce a duplicate image of themselves. Thought I would give it a try...)


#51254 10/06/04 12:38 PM
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I appreciate your replies but they leave me more confused. Why does Master Lin teach an advanced breathing technique as the default method of breathing? One web site says: "Be very cautious when practicing Reverse Breathing. Do not practice more than 3 minutes at a time, and don’t force it or you may injure yourself." See http://members.tripod.com/internalart/the%20art%20of%20meditation/breathing.htm

I understand that Master Lin has his own viewpoint and system, but it is a system that builds on the perennial wisdom. In every system that I am familiar with breathing techniques are crucial and you do not begin with advanced techniques; instead you work up to them.

Any further clarification would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Barry


#51255 10/06/04 02:21 PM
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Hi,
First of all, I said it 'may' be considered an advanced breathing technique by some people. It is, just a breathing technique. It stimulates the lower dan tien, and also the front and back channels. There is no mysterious danger wrapped inside. It is a 'basic'. Small universe, or micro orbit meditation, is a 'basic', in Taoist qigong material. The Taoist contributions to qigong, are stellar in promoting longevity and health.
This is a common practice. There is no need for you to be putting my reference to 'some' people out there 'perhaps' calling it an advanced technique, on Master Lin, as his misguidance to you!
I first learned reverse breathing, over 25 years ago. I have never, had any indication from practice, or teaching it, that it has limits or dangers to it. Like anything, there is a right way to do it. Qigong, in general, was not taught 25 years ago. It was somewhat clandenstine, and secretive. It was, in say martial arts, a giving of power to someone. Nothing , to be doled out openly, from the perspective of teachers in power, with power, not willing to 'empower', other people.
You can find whatever you want to hear on the internet. I see old tendencies of holding back information, and calling it dangerous, as part of a heritage of controlling information. All masters, were students, if not still, of their masters. Alot of bad ways get passed on. Not all students have the insight , or power to change the way things are given, to them.
It really doesn't matter what I say! You can find something contrary to it, if you look for it. No one practicing SFQ, in my years in this forum, has had diverse side effects to reverse breathing. All inquiries, have been about the 'how to', or wanting to understand the method better.
There is a good , better, best measure employed in SFQ practice. You can breath how ever you are most comfortable breathing.
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gallen

#51256 10/08/04 05:38 AM
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Hi Barry,

Think of it more as an active (abdomen tense) inhale and a passive (relaxed abdomen) on the exhale. It's not so much a sucking in as a firming of the muscle and then a complete relaxation on the exhale.

Hope this explination helps,
Dianne
Livermore, CA



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