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Win will be visiting us in Wayzata next week to spend a few days with Paul.

I know that some members of the forum have used Win's techniques, processes, and teachings.

I'm wondering what kind of benefits you have experienced. How tangible are they? Any general comments? Specifics? What can the average person expect? From your perspective, how practical is what he teaches?

Thanks in advance.

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Originally posted by Pete Bissonette:
From your perspective, how practical is what he teaches?

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BORROWED GENIUS, in my opinion, is the most underused and perhaps most powerful tool that we have at our disposal.

"How practical is what he teaches?", you ask. Therein lies the mystery. He propounds some of the most effective techniques for breakthrough learning and peak performance out there... yet... why do more people not use his techniques regularly?

For example, The Einstein Factor was my first exposure to photoreading. The first time I read the book, I was green and didn't even try any of his techniques. I read it again a year later, because the potential in that book seemed so MASSIVE! What did I do then? I tried image streaming a couple of times (without tape recorder or other person) and noticed enormous increase in insight... I tried photoreading ONCE and experienced phenomenal dream activation... I tried borrowed genius two or three times and, by god, my Tai Chi form had never been so immaculate!! Finally, I tried the 'hold breath till almost die' thing--Great High, if nothing else --bigtime headrushes and instant energy.

and then... *fizzle*

Here are some questions to ponder:
Why DO we all photoread and continue to photoread at every available opportunity?
Why DO we all use paraliminals and continue to use paraliminals as needed?
Why DON'T we habitually image stream?
Why DON'T we all hold our breath underwater?
Why DON'T we all use Borrowed Genius at every opportunity? (I wish I used this particular technique more often... oh, but I do! Especially in the rigorous academic setting I find myself in.)

There is a flaw of INACCESSABILITY somewhere that prevents his techniques from becoming habitual.

I guess the phenomenon I'm describing is similar to reading a motivational book, which get's you all 'psyched', gives you some techniques... and then... after a short while, it leaves the front burner of your consciousness.

Perhaps he tries to condense too many ideas in one place? Perhaps, instead, he should publish ONE book on ONE subject, and try to make it as clear and concise as possible. (as Tony Buzan did with the Mind Map Book)--I'm sure you'll agree that you can't get any more clear-cut than the Mind Map Book! ...talk about accessability!

just my two cents...

I think Win has some very interesting ideas. I think there are two reasons why I haven't taken them up to any great extent.

1. Although most aren't terribly complicated, there are generally enough steps that I can't keep them in mind. Stopping to look at the book and see the next step interrupts and detracts from the experience. Tapes or CD's might help here.

2. Win stresses feedback with other people. His ideas are just esoteric enough that I would be hard pressed to find a friend who would be willing to give it a shot.

I would agree that he provides a barrage of ideas that makes it hard to decide what to try and what not to. Perhaps a focus on the top "x" techniques with more attention to defining the steps (mnemonics, whatever) would be helpful. Perhaps a decision tree/flowchart that helps people sort through the multitude of techniques to pinpoint the ones that would most benefit them.

Learning Strategies found me first! Nothing has even come close.

I did check out his site b/c of other people saying how much better it was than LS. My impression was that he's too evangelical for my taste.

Presentation! There's just something about the way LS presents their material. Pete, the tape for Euphoria that Rex & Carolyn did is interesting. BUT, compared to Paul's Euphoria paraliminal, it falls short. I am assimilating their ideas, but i have already made a full tape of the Euphoria paraliminal so that i can use it more often. I'll not do that for the tape that Rex made.

I am curious about the Silva Mind Control Method. But, again, there seems to be some Texan Xtn preaching coming thru. I also called them, & the person who answered the phone could not answer even the simplest of my questions.

Paul Scheele and Win Wenger are collaborating on a new program called The Genius Code.

We've discussed the abovementioned concerns, and Paul thinks folks will be very happy with how we Learning-Strategize Win's material. Paul's been wanting to do it for some time.

Incidentally, an audio program of Win's The Einstein Factor is coming out this winter from Nightingale-Conant.

When can we expect more teaser info about The Genius Code?

Absolutely. Paul and Win are sequestered in Paul's office all of this week. When they emerge, and I have time to synthesize their ramblings, I'll post something.

Paul and I and Win and I have had many conversations over the past couple of months, and I have been very excited about the direction.

I engrossed myself in a copy of the Einstein Factor at the tender age of 13 and was caught up in the fantastical possiblities that abound from this book. But like Brian and mgrego, something kept me from making full use of these techniques, which I certainly see as powerful. And then after reading through it, and rereading the specific sections that I found ripe with potential, I eagerly tried them out. But not trusting my capabilities of imagination, I chose to stick to the basics and practice image streaming till my visual ablities would be ready to handle the more powerful swapping of heads and future timeline adventures. But without a partner to work with, for the same reasons as mentioned in the preceding posts, I was left to my annoying tape recorder, not entirely sure if I was doing it right. After about a week of doubting the validaty of this practice, but managing to find time before I fell asleep each night, I simply gave in to the doubt. And one of the nagging doubts about this exercise was about Win Wenger himself. If this man actually walks the talk, then according to his "data" which is hardly concrete (at least in the book, I have not done extensive study on the matter) then his IQ should be out the roof. And don't get me wrong, I'm sure it is quite high, but because of image streaming? That was in question. With all these thoughts racing through my head, and other books to conquer, I simply moved on. Every now and again, I think about how starting image streaming back up would be a good idea, and sometime I even act on the impluse, but to no great ends.

Perhaps just doing it as I fall asleep is a bad way of going about it. I still believe there is great potential in Wenger's system, it just has yet to release this energy in me. I'm up for any suggestions that I could use to better myself, else I wouldn't be here. So please, guide me, O Wise Ones.

Win Wenger has 30 years of experience developing his problem-solving techniques, so he's evolved so many that a late-comer may well feel overwhelmed. Win wants to collect 100 of the best techniques, as tools for any purpose. Just dallying with these techniques is pointless. You must come to them with a problem needing to be solved. Then that need releases the energies. On the three occasions that I engaged in one of Win's processes, I came up with full answers. Batting a thousand. Could I have found the answers without Win's methods? Perhaps. But the methods are powerful catalysts, or shortcuts, and a great deal of fun to experience. Guys, you gotta do the work...there has to be another person as partner! If you don't have even one friend who'd be open-minded enough so you wouldn't feel foolish, contact Win himself, or George Copsey, who'll phone in his assistance. It takes just one instance of success to convince a friend that it's not weird, it's wise. And always surprising. And if you don't "see" images, no problem. Just describe any old stuff that comes to mind. Remember: you see what you pretend to see. Best of all, it's free!

You don't need to be mean about it.

But hey, I'll get over it.