You are all talk my friend. And tell me Brian, if you want to talk about realization is it better to make sense or not make sense? (I believe your Zen boys are fond of not making sense) Please explain or define what you mean by intellectualization because I seem to think it has more to do with our bondage than liberation.

***Further, why are you ‘sickened’ by words when you claim to be experiencing the ultimate reality? Shouldn’t you be beyond all that? Shouldn’t the yinyang have turned into the zen circle? Shouldn’t you be existing beyond the realm of duality?***

I have never claimed to be experiencing the "ultimate reality". Really, you are drawing some huge generalizations from my comments. They were directed only at the posts on this topic. And what does it look like when the yinyang turns into the Zen circle? Something like a unit circle rolling along a sine wave? Am I close?

***Indeed, how did you arrive at your current understanding of the Tao?***

Can one "understand" the Tao? Is this the same Tao that can't be written about? Tell me how dude! I have absolutely no understanding of the Tao, none at all.

***Are we to expect that with the snap of the fingers, we will magically eradicate years of conditioning and zap ourselves to primary consciousness (or whatever word you want to use)?***

Its been known to happen. And at a fundamental level, it must happen.

***YOU'RE JUST A BARELL OF CONTRADICTIONS AREN'T YOU?***

I'll take this as a very pure compliment. But on another level, Brain, realistically, aren't we all?

Whatever you say about enlightenment is wrong. Whatever you think about realization is wrong. Whatever you intellectualize about liberation is wrong. There is no Brian who will become enlightened and there is a Brian who will become enlightened. Don't mistake the real for reality. Its not an experience, its not a realm, and I hope you take issue with some of this because I'm so damn bored!