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Greetings board. This is my first post. I was just wondering how long it takes for someone to achieve significant results from a decent memory course. So if anyone out there has participated in a memory course could you please tell me about your journeys, did you run into any troubles, how long did it take you to obtain your desired goals and also how long do you predict it would take to develope a photographic memory?

Looking forward to your replies. Cheers-
Ben Rodgers

Our new Memory Optimizer Personal Learning Course will be out this summer, but it does not deal with photographic memory.

Hi Pete

I was wondering, will the "Memory Optimizer" be dealing with the kind of memory for things like remembering peoples' names and shopping lists, or will it be more aimed at study and learning? As it includes a "Memory Supercharger" I am imagining that it will deal with learning, which is great.

Have you thought of including a new paraliminal that deals with learning specifically?

Just want to throw out a thought. . .

I've read that some people with Dissociative Identity Disorder (multiple personalities) sometimes have an "alter" devoted strictly to memory, often with photographic ability. There are also people with a form of DID that has been induced through mind control experiments and they sometimes have an alter personality intentionally created with a photographic memory.

The Memory Optimizer will deal with memory in eight areas of life.

There is also too much in it to even consider using all of it at one time. It is a course to visit and a regular basis.

It is filled with many conscious mind things to do that train the brain to respond in certain ways. And, it is will with the appropriate other-than-conscious training that you can expect from us.

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All Paraliminals deal with learning on one level or another. Remember, learning comes best in layers.

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Originally posted by Pratibha:
Just want to throw out a thought. . .

I've read that some people with Dissociative Identity Disorder (multiple personalities) sometimes have an "alter" devoted strictly to memory, often with photographic ability. There are also people with a form of DID that has been induced through mind control experiments and they sometimes have an alter personality intentionally created with a photographic memory.

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I guess that this would be evidence in favor of modelling as a behavioral learning tool hence the "New Behavior Generator"! Maybe if it can be induced we can model it.

Funnily enough, I was just reading a book with sections about this in it. Have you been reading "Supermemory" by Ostrander and Schroeder too?

I have "Superlearning 2000" and "Superlearning" but I don't remember reading anything of this sort in them. I'm still interested in seeing superlearning's effect on my total memory after consistent use. I know the method is a hybrid of suggestopedia, if even that. And suggestopedia is a hybrid of raja yoga. Maybe it would be better to just study the yoga. . .

If you liked the "Superlearning" books then you will like "Supermemory" too, although it tends to be full of stories rather than techniques.

I am personally very dubious of the "Superlearning" of Ostrander and Schroeder. I have a lot of their stuff and for me, nothing worked. Also, they start out in "Superlearning" by giving the impression that 1000 words can be learned in one session by people who doubt they can do it with a recall rate of 97%. That is in their original book.
I have uncovered lots of discrepancies and contradictions to lead me to think that it is just a sham or a sales gimmick.

Anyway, I don't need to say anything about it as the merits, and, unfortunately the misinformation have been discussed on this page:
http://www-personal.monash.edu.au/~ufelix/thesis.htm

I'm not trying to make you negative to "Superlearning. If it works for you then great! But if you do not get the results you want or those that have been "promised" in the books, then you can rest assured that "Superlearning" is not necessarily Losanov.

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I will check out the link.

Its not a matter of being turned onto or off of superlearning for me. If it doesn't work then its out. But I did have very encouraging results when I learned some vocabulary with the method in the past. I didn't use it extensively though and have been wanting to try it again. It may be worth taking an experimental approach and sharing my results on the forum.

I completely agree that it is not suggestology, but superlearning definitely does incorporates some of its basic methods. And this may be especially true of the structure of the book. As far as I've been able to ascertain, suggestopedia is Lozanov's attempt to direct every perception (subconscious and conscious) of a person in his modified environment toward absolute success in learning. The superlearning books are often criticized as being a lot of hype and exagerated claims. But let me ask you this, how did you feel when reading the books? Didn't they "suggest" rather strongly that the capacities of the mind are infinite and you could essentially accomplish anything? I know I got pretty excited and very motivated about the possibilites. But in the end the subjective nature of learning will determine what works for one individual and what works for another.

I will add that I never got the impression from the book that I would be able to just listen to a list of 1000 things with a little boroque and never forget them. The ability supposedly increases over time. Can I ask what you tried to learn with the method and how you went about it?

Hi Pratibha.

Well, I agree that suggesting that we can actualy use more of the brain's capacity may open more doors for, but I also think that unrealistic expectation can lead to grave disppointment and leave one with less motivation and self belief than at the beginning of the project. I don't have my copy of "Superlearning" with me at the moment, but I can say that the 1000 word phenomenon was reported as fact by Ostrander and Schroeder, as the link I have given bears out, under the section entitles "Lozanov's Research" I believe. If you still can't find it, I will put a page number and a quote in next time.

As to what I tried to learn....well, I tried to learn Indonesian phrases (and get this!) using the course produced by the Superlearning company itself, complete with music. It was an expensive, cheaply produced, low quality thing. At one point the text didn't reflect what was on the tapes. I wanted to do it properly that is why I purchased that and the boxed set. I am not happy with Superlearning or the company for that matter. I could say more about my impressions from dealings with the company but I don't want to get into it.

You see, the wild claims made about what youcan learn are sure to produce disppointment in my opinion. As I have said before, I have listened to a course on accelerated learning by Brian Tracy and Colin Rose which has much more realistic expectations. They suggest taking things a step at a time rather than than "all at once" approach that S and O suggest. Notice that nowhere in the books do you read about the feats they themselves have been able to perform!

I have worked out that, if you follow the advice from all the "Superlearning" resourses, if you want to learn a list of language phrases you will be exposing yourself to the same thing around 27 times!!!! and that is a conservative estimate, believe me. They also suggest that you start with a list of 30 words. That's a far cry from one session of 1000 words with 97% minimum recall, isn't it? Give me 30 words and let me look at them 27 times, and I'll remember them whether they are in Spanish, Hindi, Chinese or Martian! And OH the time it takes to make the tapes!

I have a question for you. I was wondering about Raja Yoga. I'm guessing that you have Indian heritage, and that you have practiced Raja Yoga. I was wondering exactly what Raja Yoga is and whether it is possible to learn it on your own. If so, what book or tape etc would you recommend?

Thanks

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