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#12900 02/18/03 06:27 AM
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Well this is not a Value of mine. It might make it as a belief, but I use it a guiding principle. The idea is "I can do anything, that anyone else can do, but I can't do everything others can do." This is an empowering statement, with a good dose of reality. It is an "I can do" statement, but it also forces you to focus on what "you will do".

I offer this idea becaus it has the "any" inclusive you seem to love and hate.

A belief that I've recultivated is "Everything that happens in my life is for my ultimate beneft". So all the so-called bad things present in my life are there to afford me the opportunity for growth. Therefore there are no bad things, just things.

Iam2






#12901 02/17/03 10:14 PM
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Iam2:

Hehe, thats another major beliefi have! wow guess birds of feather flock together...






#12902 02/18/03 12:05 AM
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Serpentaura,

it is with great pleasure that I reply to your stirring situation.

I am very impressed by your most acute sense of perception. It is only a select few that can truly recognize and reveal their personal feelings.

Girls, girls, girls...

what is my goal of this post?

The goal is really two-fold. One, I would like to give some insights to the idea of of life and its ever-present agent - the human.

And two, I would like to impress some notions that deal with how we should react to the need to possess something that is not "ours".

Of course, in the end I hope that some of these explicated concepts will trigger your own brain to realize your tremendously unique and thereby powerful existence....

To my first point:

Human nature is complex and eye-dazzlingly dynamic. As such it is difficult to dissect the transformative nature and requires one to pay attention not only to the details, but also to the whole. What did I just say? Read the last sentence again.

This in itself offers a very interesting corollary. Namely, as Aristotle would describe it, that the essence of an element needs to be reversed to its original (i.e. from species to origin) in order for us to better understand it. This might seem as a paradox to some, as it is often argued -"understand the details and you will understand the whole". I am going to argue that the converse is true and that for us to grasp our existence and our motivations (which may in part be explanatory to the obsessiveness of humans) we need to recognize the whole. No, I am not preaching or pretending to know the meaning of life, nor am I claiming to know how to solve all problems. I am, however, contending that by the very nature of our myopic attempts to control and assess our individual relationships, we short-circuit our capacity to enhance and explore our existence. Instead, we should realize that, just as the wave is part of the ocean, the ocean is that which gives context to land, to air, and other things.

Let me put this in more practical terms for you. By realizing that human nature requires us to view the interdependence among agents as a natural extension, we give a framework to our relationships with others. This in turn explains our need to interact, either consciously or unconsciously. Even physics elucidates this to us. We are in essence light. Yes, believe it or not, we are all simply a form of light. And as such it is intrinsic that we are part of another human being. Sounds funny, but it is true that we are atomic fragments of light. I believe scientists have called this idea interdependent subtotalities, whereby we are truly a "whole". I know, I know, you might think what does that have to do with me and the girl that I wrote about. But here is the point. The point is that we are part of nature and nature is directing us in ways sometimes indiscribable.

So that when we think we want to "be" with another person we in some way always are, but much more importantly, even if we are not, we should be aware that another person is directed by "nature" to make what we experience a natural progression as well. So therefore, never be overly upset if occurances don't seem to go your way, or people don't like you, but realize that nature is directing you to those that will truly be your equal and those that will make you find pleasure in every moment of your reality. Why, because they are directed by you. In some way, I was directed by you, to transmit these thoughts - whether you think they help you or not, I truly hope they do. If nothing else, a neuralogical network was build to help you look at other possibilities.

To my second point, the need to posess becomes somewhat less important as soon as we realize that we already possess "everything". This sounds far-fetched and probably silly at best, but the point i am trying to make is that we *are* everything and our "reality" could not exist without our existence. Sure it could exist, but it would only mean something in relation to ourselves. So therefore, our possessive, sometimes even obsessive, nature seems to adumbrate the clarity experienced after the storm. For if we see that to have is to be, we miss that we do not need to hold to be cognizant of our nature as described above.

This was more or less very abstract and not oriented to give you "tools" to deal with any particular person, but much more so, I wrote this to give you some sense of who you are and why the person you desire is not the person that is necessary for you to "have". More importantly, with insights as you have described about your own being and the amazing power that you have (which I sense through your writing), I am very much convinced that you will find a person with whom you do not need to play catch-up or prove your amazing being. You are powerful, believe me. More so than we can ever imagine.

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I would like to hear what you think and anyone else for that matter. Perhaps I was able to trigger some new thoughts and someone has had similar insights or feelings on this topic.

I impatiently look forward to reading everyone's post and perhaps I will share another personal revelation about how to amazingly influence people's desire to interact with you....






#12903 02/18/03 05:21 PM
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Most of what you said, i was already aware of, but one important concept which was triggered by your response was that we already posess everything. I never fully accepted(on a subconscious level) that principle untill you linked it with the photons. I have already made a vast improvement in my situation, and the advice i am continually getting on these forums is helping me realize on an larger scale what the real problem is. I have decided to start a project, i am calling it project societal solitude, i will not talk to anyone outside my immediate family, use AIM, E-mail, or forums. Attend lectures but stay quiet and reserved, take exams only for physics and calc, i am going to get a job but one where i can easily ignore others. All this for four months, and i have a huge agenda namely, IS for 40+ hours, speed read at 9k, learn the whole mind system as well, work my way up from 20 push ups to 50+, improve my track speed to 7 min per mile (at 14 now), 300 hindu squats (www.mattfurey.com), and finish 2 or more math courses on my own(for exemption). This is something i wanted to do ever since i had my "crush" on her, but i knew i would lose any chance i had if i did this, but now i am more mature, happy, and focussed on my priorities. So starting this March Operation Societal Solitude is ON!

p.s.- interestingly enough, she sent me a picture of her yesterday, she looks much much different. That was the physical trigger that allowed me to realize that my pain is imaginary, created only to sustain my ego.






#12904 02/18/03 07:11 PM
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I have to say "seek balance". The three pilars are mind, body, spirit. Taking a more western view this becomes, your intellectual self (your working on this), your physical self (your working on this), your social self (you look to be almost starving this).

A stool with only two strong legs takes much effort to remain seated upon, without taking a fall.

I know this sounds corny, but if you look anyone that has been seriously depressed at some point, you're likely to see that at least one of these areas was not fulfilling.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't do what you're planning, I'm just saying be careful.

Good luck,

Iam2

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#12905 02/18/03 09:41 PM
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Iam2:

Exactly the reason i must go into solitude, to push back into dynamic equilibrium (our french friend "Le Chatty's" principle). Since i have spent the last 2 years focusing on my appeal (e.g. my soceital self), i must now shift into body and mind "mode" aggressively. I feel 4 months will be enough to bring back a feeling of great accomplishment (i know about Paul's ,be happy to do, not do to be happy concept, but i still feel an honest attempt at the next 4 months will teach me something oneway or another,aka feedback)

I do not believe in the three selfs as distinct entities, i feel they overlap like 3-d venn diagrams with amorphous dimensions. In other words they at once are part of the same set of elements, and yet not the same throughout. (not very coherent, but i am sure someone else can explain it more clearly)






#12906 02/21/03 08:30 PM
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Serpentaura
...a concept I learned from Deepak Chopra...
call it unconditional and unattached love.

Can you see yourself loving this girl?
I didnt say dating her..or even her loving you back.
Just....love her for the truly wonderful and amazing
human being that she is...NOT for how you think
she could make you feel if she loved you back.

Is she wonderful? And amazing?...of course she is--she is a human.
Are you wonderful? Amazing? of course you are.

Be aware that no matter where she is or what she does
you as a loving human being of light can love her.
love yourself...and even if you never see her again
you will know that she is that same wonderful amazing human being
and that you love her for who she is...no matter
what her capacity for making you feel.
Know that whatever happens to both of you----everything
is alright because as human beings our essence is love.

And who knows...if you continue to treat yourself
with love and awareness of your own amazing and growing value
perhaps she will notice you for the incredible person you are.






#12907 04/11/03 05:15 AM
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I have been here a great many times. I end up there again every so often. I agree with whoever it was that said seduce ten other girls, because this will get your mindstate out of needy into the one who is in control. Thus making you more attractive. Indiffernce, or detachment is a good mindstate to cultivate. go to doubleyourdating.com there is alot of good info in the news letter. Turned my life around.






#12908 04/12/03 04:41 AM
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Dear Serpentaura,
I can sympathize with your story, as I was very much an outcast in high school as well - for different reasons, I had very bad acne. In college, the skin cleared, and I started getting a lot of attention from men, but since I was so love starved, having been virtually ignored as a teenager, I started developing obsessions (just as you are with this woman.) I highly recommend you read, Howard Halpern's book, How to Break Your Addiction to a Person. In addition, you can check out, www.tapintoheaven.com - she has acupuncture points you can tap to release obsessions. Last, but not least, try listening to tapes from a company called - www.thinkrightnow.com. They have tapes on losing weight, and I've heard they're very effective, especially if you listen while sleeping.
Best of luck -
rachel






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