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There are so far three historically verifiable schools, Togakure Ryu (the only one publically taught), Kumogakure Ryu, and Gyokushin Ryu. Each individual intructor will have their own teaching style. When I taught, my lessons were very different from my instructor's.

"So, ninpo instructors will mainly teach taijutsu or hand to hand combat?"

Correct. Even the ones who teach other things will want you to learn the basics first.

"I imagine the ninja being able to do things like walk on paper rice like in the TV show Kung Fu."

At my school we do practice stealth, but not with rice paper. We normally train in the park and dired leaves work well for this. My last instructor did not care for any of this. It all really depends on whether the individual instructor likes to or not.

"In your training are they teaching you hypnosis and mental development stuff?"

My formal hypnosis training is from NLP Trainings Unlimited and Essential-Skills. I also train with books, audios, and videos. Some instructors teach this stuff but none I've trained with do. I'm the only one in my dojo with such training.

If by mental development you mean sixth sense development, that is hard to explain. It sort of develops naturally through our physical training. I have a friend who is very good at it who taught me, but as far as I know it is not formally taught. For the most part it just develops as you train.

"Did you ever meet Frank Dux or come across his style? Do you know a lot about him? I know he wrote a book called Secret Me I think."

There was an expose' in Soldier of Fortune Magazine a few years ago on him. It appears his CIA, ninja, etc history was all made up.

Dosetsu, could you go into greater detail about the PhotoReading technique, here or maybe on the PR'ing forum? I don't know much NLP...so maybe explain it with that in mind...Thanks

Dosetsu:

What is remarkable about the guy you referred me was that not only is he in my area? He is sort of my neighbor. He lives in the same development as I do. If I would have found about such a person in my neighborhood when I was a kid and the guy was teaching than I would be over and be willing to do anything to learn. Of course now I am sort of a little different. Plus, I doubt this guy was teaching when I was a kid. I did not move into this development till I was Junior in high school. But I know back than I would have done anything to train in such a art. I would have been in awe if I found a ninja in my own neighborhood when I was a kid.

I am thinking maybe ninja instructions back when I was a kid could have fetched far more dollars for lessons when I was a kid since there was such a big craze for it. I discussed fees with this guy and he told me he charges $40 an hour or $50 an hour if I can bring a couple of people with me. Unfortunately right now I dont know of anyone that is interested. He says the reason he charges that much is because one he only wants serious or people who really want to know the art. There is not that many or far and few between bona fide ninja instructors. He also wants to keep his class small.

Are the fees at your dojo similiar? Or are they like more affordable? He did mention to me that ninjutsu is not typically inexpensive to learn. He is also a US Marshal. I think he is right since Ninja experts are not a dime a dozen. There are not too many who are experts or really know the art.

I know for Karate, Judo and Jujitsu around here they typically charge $65 to $75 a month last time I checked. There might be a karate place I heard of that is $85 a month. But these places the owners pay rent and stuff like that. I know if you go take it at a college it is like $65 to $75 a semester.

Do you know if in Ninja history, people have paid a lot or worked a lot to learn the art? I remember watching movies about students who wanted to learn the art, had to do stuff to learn like work and do chores. This is the movies though. I would imagines offsprings of ninjas got it free.

When you mean sixth sense are you talking about things like ESP or when people are trying to sneak up on you and pop you? Or things like finding lost objects, predicting the future, or mind reading?

So, they are also saying that Frank Dux's Kumite experience in Hong Kong is also made up? He probably was never in the military and he never really had Japanese instructor he came in contact with.

This guy, you referred me to he did all the martials arts and he found Ninjutsu is all that he was looking for and he likes it the best. He finds ninjutsu has what is missing in the arts he was practicing before. If he could have started with Ninjutsu that is what he would have done.

Dosetsu, is Ninjutsu your favorite martial art, or you think it is an outstanding tool in your arsenal? Like you would not think it is better for you or better than any of the arts out there.

I know Bruce Lee created his own style because there was something missing in other arts? That is just my guess.

Parag

Parag,

In the dojos I've trained in, the first good one charged $45.00 per month from 1994-1996 when typical martial arts dojos were at least $65.00 per month. We also could go to 6 classes per week. They did have to close down though, so maybe their fees were too low. My second instructor had no dojo and taught in the park or at his friend's excercise center and he charged $35.00 per month, but only had 3 classes per week and for the last two years of operation I was doing most of the teaching. The guy who currently leads our group just earned his black belt and charges $25.00 per month. IIRC they guy near you is a high level black belt. The costs usually depend on the experience of the instructor and whether he has his own dojo or not. Another factor is that he is teaching private lessons, which are usually expensive in any art. Those costs are low for private lessons, IMO. My first instructor charged $50.00/ hr.

On those directory pages there are other instructors listed in New York who may have actual dojos if that is what you are interested in.

Historically, if you were born into a ninja clan you really had no choice whether you trained or not. Your training would usually start with your father and later on you'd train with your local instructor. The part about doing chores is typical for many martial arts back then.

By sixth sense in ninjutsu, from my understanding and ability, is to not only detect when someone is sneaking up on you but more importantly detecting attacks before they happen. If someone is attacking me brom behind, I don't only know that they are attacking but I usually feel where they will attack and sometimes even what type. For example, I can tell the difference between a strike to the back of my head and a choke before someone does it. Now, this is in the dojo. In the real world I might have something on my mind which will distract me a bit so I might not be as accurate, thought I will usually know that an attack is coming and from what direction.

IIRC, Dux was in the military but just as a typical enlisted man.

Ninpo is my primary or base style. All of what I learn is sort of incorporated into my taijutsu, including my firearms training. I did train in Eskrima for a while and may train in it again if I have time. I also study military type styles from books and videos to add to my training. Regardless of your training, everyone really has his or her own style. My preference is a traditional style but I do keep up on modern developments. In Bruce's case, he wanted to design his ideal style, one that was best for HIM. Others who have gone that route set up different styles.

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Originally posted by Arthur:
Dosetsu, could you go into greater detail about the PhotoReading technique, here or maybe on the PR'ing forum? I don't know much NLP...so maybe explain it with that in mind...Thanks

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What specifically do you want to know about Photoreading? That can be a BIG answer.

Dotsetsu,

You mentioned in another thread that your favorites are www.essential-skills.com and www.neurosemantics.com. Is what essential-skills claiming for reals? Some of the terms it's using such as anchoring seems to be subjects that one can learn from a hypnosis book. The price is pretty steep for their products. I'm interested in your results from their program and also your opinion on whether or not it is worth it (i.e. could have gotten the info from a book OR it's a wonderful purchase with no regrets). Thanks!

You might want to join their list and read the archives at Yahoo groups for a while before buying. I do think it is a good idea to read what you can find on NLP as well. The way Tom and Kim teach anchoring is different than what is usually taught in NLP. I was taught how to anchor in a formal therapy situation and am pretty good at it. After attending the class I was able to help a co-worker with his chocholate addiction. This guy ate about a pound a day. As I was talking to him, explaining hypnosis and his addiction, I used Tom's covert anchoring methods and fixed his problem. Then I put him into trance and did some hypnosis. The work was actually done before I hypnotized him.

The PR'ing/ test taking technique you developed--I already PhotoRead...Thanks

Dosetsu:

What does IIRC mean? You are right about private lessons in anything will run up in costs. What concerns me is that my lessons may not be totally private, he mentions I might train with someone else also. I guess for person who wants to save money a dojo is the best thing. I am thinking sparring or training with others is usually best. But private lessons are good if you are preparing for a big tournament or if you have an irregular schedule. Did you train one on one with your instructor. This instructor right now goes 4 hours one way and 4 hours back to train with Jack Hoban once a week.

Right now your school seems to have the best price. It had the best price with your first dojo. I can sort of see how having the best price can hurt the practitioner. I am thinking the owner may not be able to cover things like rent, electric, and props? When business owners are making money this gives them an incentive to stay, like maybe the instructor will contintue teaching. A friend in college had to stop training because his instructor moved. Now his instructor could have moved outside of the reason of the dojo.

From the post were you help your friend with his chocolate addiction. It sounds like you are like a problem solver for people. I heard Tony Robbins did that in high school. Your friends definately like having you around and hope that you never move.

Did they say if Frank Dux's kumite story was made up?

I remember he and Van Damme got into a lawsuit.

Parag Shah

Parag,

"What does IIRC mean?"

If I remember correctly.

"You are right about private lessons in anything will run up in costs. What concerns me is that my lessons may not be totally private, he mentions I might train with someone else also."

From what you told me, it seems that for the slightly higher price he'll train you and a friend and you split the costs.

"I guess for person who wants to save money a dojo is the best thing. I am thinking sparring or training with others is usually best. But private lessons are good if you are preparing for a big tournament or if you have an irregular schedule."

A combination is good. My classmates who did have private lessons were also the best students.

"Did you train one on one with your instructor."

I did at the times I was the only one to show up. I prefer a class of at least 4 people.

"Right now your school seems to have the best price. It had the best price with your first dojo. I can sort of see how having the best price can hurt the practitioner. "

A for-profit dojo, if the instructor does his business well, would be more stable and allow the instructor to devote much of his time to the dojo.

"Did they say if Frank Dux's kumite story was made up? I remember he and Van Damme got into a lawsuit."

I don't really know anything about the Kumite or the Van Damme lawsuit.

Arthur,

I'll try to get the Photoreading recall and test taking techniques written up tomorrow or the next day. I'll post it in the Photoreading forum. I'll re-write it so it would be easier to understand and update it. My original one was written years ago on Mindlist which at the time was a bunch of guys experiementing with NLP and developing new techniques. That article assumed that the reader had NLP Practitioner level skills.