sorry to take this whole thread into another direction but anyone used the rosetta stone programs, ive heard really great things about pimsleur ( yes i know it is way over priced is all audio and doesnt teach you reading and writing), but that is where school systems fail they teach you grammar rules reading and writing yet most peoples pronounciation sucks and they cant form complex sentences let alone understand a native speaker of another language........anyway has any used either of these programs, also has anyone successfully taught themself a foreign language and are a t anear fluent level, if so how
