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#14208 11/24/03 01:04 AM
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Hello,

I attempted to switch to polyphasic sleeping about two years ago, but failed real bad. Kept trying for a month, but always overslept after about three days. I have since then wanting to give it another try. I did, and am now on my sixth day, no oversleeping failures. And am now actually quite alert, and not sleepy at all (wanted to kill myself yesterday though

And basically wanted to hear some experience from anyone trying this before, and succeeded.

Some questions:

1. Did you just wake up after a nap being "adjusted" and fully alert? Or it this something that steadily increased during a couple of days? As mentioned, I am not at all sleepy, but then again I do not feel as energic as I used to after sleeping a normal 8+ hours. My mind is also a lot clearer than than the last couple of days, but still a little foggy.

2. An old post regarding polyphasic sleep (http://www.learningstrategies.com/forum/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000476.html) on this board states that you should not stick to this cycle more than 6 months. Anyone done this longer, or know about any negatives that might occure living on this cycle for like 2-3 years?

3. Does the ability to fall asleep more quickly increase even after the REM has kicked-in?

Any other information what I am to expect during the coming week is appreciated.







#14209 11/24/03 03:13 PM
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I feel really depressed at the moment, only a few hours before beginning on the 7th day and I fall asleep. It's not like I didn't wake up during a nap or anything. But simply watched TV, was too lazy to get up and fell asleep! I probably slept something like 1,5 hours, I am really refreshed though, feels like at least 12 hours. Considering how refreshed and clear-minded I am, it feels as if I have failed misserably. I am too refreshed, and feel like the adjustment period because of this will be increased by several days at least. If not set me back to day 3 or so, which means having to go through the same hell again...

Probably noone that reads this anyway, but I am quite angry at the moment, had to express it somehow...









#14210 11/25/03 03:07 AM
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If you're feeling refreshed after a 1.5 hour sleep why are you giving yourself a failed score card?

Even in day to day life there are many who have taken a short nap to get going again.

Alex






#14211 11/25/03 03:44 AM
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AlexK,

I probably should have noted the concept of polyphasic sleep, in case it is not known. Basically you nap 20 minutes every 4 hours, giving you a total of 22 waking hours per day. With the same clear-mindness as if you were sleeping 8+ hours. You "trick" the brain into go straight to REM sleep, which is the way for example Leonardo Da Vinci slept. But in order for this to work, you have to go though a hellish sleep deprivation period, lasting a total of about 10-12 days, where as the first week you basically feel like you haven't slept at all.

To get adjusted to the true polyphasic sleep cycle as soon as possible, the cycle has to be followed strictly. Any more sleep during the adjustment period than originally intended only prolongs the time.

Adjusting to this cycle is pure h*ll, I was finally starting to get somewhat adjusted, where the hardest part seemed to have past. Oversleeping would set me back several days, and in the worst case forcing me to go though the same hell again.

Most people trying this fail, and it is really important not to oversleep - or you will not be successful.







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I know the principle of polyphasic sleep I also know from personal experience that one can go without sleep for long periods. And from personal experience as well as considering our social lifestyle consider trying to mold ones internal clock to set hours of sleep is going to take more than 7 days adjustment. I consider taking a 1.5 hour nap a minor setback especially considering you benefitted from it.

As for it being the way Leonardo slept... have you considered that the wiring of his brain was probably different since humanity as a whole has not adopted this method in all these years. It's questionable if this make him more productive or whether it was necessary for him because he was such a genius thinker. To compare with someone who is not alive today is redundant. Expecially when considering the, pollution, our bodies must handle, the processed foods we ingest as well as the sheer volume of sugar and caffine consumed. If you want to be like Leonardo you need to eat the same foods as him and have the same internal clock as him.

I don't think finding that your internal clock kicking in a nap for 1.5 hours is failure in the project. A minor stumbling block perhaps. They say Rome wasn't build in a day they probably had to knock down some of the work they did to get it right too.

BTW I've had a sleep cycle of 4 hours sleep 18 to 20 awake then sleep again for years. I don't recommend it.

Alex






#14213 11/25/03 05:22 AM
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quote:

I know the principle of polyphasic sleep I also know from personal experience that one can go without sleep for long periods. And from personal experience as well as considering our social lifestyle consider trying to mold ones internal clock to set hours of sleep is going to take more than 7 days adjustment. I consider taking a 1.5 hour nap a minor setback especially considering you benefitted from it.

It is not the adjustment of ones internal clock that takes roughly 7 hours. But about the time it takes for the brain to start jumping directly to REM, and beginning to benefit of the 20 minute naps. Apparently this takes aprox 6-9 days, while it takes 10-12 days until you start to feel really refreshed after each nap.

It then also takes aprox 20+ days before your internal clock is adjusted, so you actually wake up after 20 minutes without having to use an alarm clock.

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As for it being the way Leonardo slept... have you considered that the wiring of his brain was probably different since humanity as a whole has not adopted this method in all these years. It's questionable if this make him more productive or whether it was necessary for him because he was such a genius thinker. To compare with someone who is not alive today is redundant. Expecially when considering the, pollution, our bodies must handle, the processed foods we ingest as well as the sheer volume of sugar and caffine consumed. If you want to be like Leonardo you need to eat the same foods as him and have the same internal clock as him.

Mentioning Leonardo was just a side-note explaining what cycle I was refering to, since it is a well known fact that Leonardo slept very little.

There are quite a few well known people though the times known to use this system to sleep. But that is really not important, and was mostly mentioned to see that even great thinkers used this system, and still keeping the same clear-mindness.

It is not like he, or anyone else, slept like this originally, but something you adjust to. In reality most animals sleep this way, and even though humans no longer do so, we can still adopt to it.
It works more as a security feature of the mind. After about a week of sleep deprivation, while still sleeping, but not long enough to benefit from it (15-30 minutes). The mind as a security precaution, jumps right into REM, skipping the other steps. Regenerating the mind, but does skip the steps only beneficial to the body. That is why for some people the imune system goes down a little after a few months, and you should be careful to get all necessary vitamins and try to eat healthy while on this cycle.

There has been studies on the polyphonic sleep cycle during the 90's. And my facts are based on them, and not on Leonardo or anyone else. But even though Leonardo slept like this most of his life, the studies show it is safe to go on this cycle for six months to a year, but should not be followed any longer. This mostly because there aren't any scientific tests for longer periods, that is why I wanted to know if someone had followed though with this for several years.

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I don't think finding that your internal clock kicking in a nap for 1.5 hours is failure in the project. A minor stumbling block perhaps. They say Rome wasn't build in a day they probably had to knock down some of the work they did to get it right too.

As mentioned, I did try this for about two years ago. I kept oversleeping, and because of that failed and after 30 days I gave up. I never lasted as long as 6 days without oversleeping, as I did the last week. Going through the the sleep deprivation period is one of the hardest things I have ever had to do. And if the nap of 1,5 hours sets me back a day or two, having to go through it all again, that I do consider a failure.

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BTW I've had a sleep cycle of 4 hours sleep 18 to 20 awake then sleep again for years. I don't recommend it.

That is understandable, but then again that is pretty much the opposit of the polyphasic sleep cycle. Sleeping several hours at a time (regular sleep) causes you to get about 1,5 hours REM on a 8 hour sleep. If you sleep only for 4 hours, you only get about 45 minutes worth of REM. And it is no wonder you feel tired. Successfully converting to polyphasic sleep and sleeping 20 minutes every 4 hours causes you to get 2 hours REM in a 24 hour period, actually more than a normal 8 hour sleep would

I found this forum by searching for further information regarding the cycle, and you should really check this one out: http://www.learningstrategies.com/forum/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000476.html


Thank you for your reply however, at least someone cared to read my useless post









#14214 09/27/05 08:48 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by patrni:
That is understandable, but then again that is pretty much the opposit of the polyphasic sleep cycle. Sleeping several hours at a time (regular sleep) causes you to get about 1,5 hours REM on a 8 hour sleep. If you sleep only for 4 hours, you only get about 45 minutes worth of REM. And it is no wonder you feel tired. Successfully converting to polyphasic sleep and sleeping 20 minutes every 4 hours causes you to get 2 hours REM in a 24 hour period, actually more than a normal 8 hour sleep would

Recent research has proved that Deep sleep is more important than REM sleep.Many people can sleep 4 hours/per day with full energy.








#14215 10/18/05 08:24 PM
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You should check http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/uberman/?tab=s out.

The only-REM sleep seems more like a myth that came up because people rememberd more dreams than before and therefore thought that they dreamt more often.







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