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Folks,

I have never been into Scientology but have
done course with ex-scientologists.
There is a lot of good stuff coming out of
scientology. In fact most major human potential movements have their roots in scientology. eg. EST, Life Spring, The Forum, Landmark, Avatar, Knowledgism etc.

I also think that Ron Hubbard did a good job
in his Dianetic Research. If you read the book dianetic you will probably realize what
potential is in that book even today better
techs exists.

I think that Hubbard went wrong when created
that science fiction religion scientology.

However, all of those ex-scientologist left the Church because of this immoralities and
even often criminal activities such as drug
trading and pushing.

Take care,

[This message has been edited by Frodo02 (edited April 01, 2004).]

Dianetics,

Since 85? Wow. That's a long time.

Without breaking client confidentiality, what's the freakiest or most amazing experience you've had with auditing?

Scientology just proves that there is one born every minute. Check Hubbards background out. One article I can remember concerned the introduction of the first 'clear' back in the 1950's. The suject was a female history graduate. Remember that 'clears' have total recall. When questioned by the audience she was unable to answer questions on American history.
I found your comments about 'those that hate us' laughable. This is a typical 'siege mentality response'.
Scientology is notable for it's hatred of psychiatry and psychology;presuming itself to have all the answers.
You sound very happy with your life in Scientology, but that does not make it right.
There is so much wrong with this movement. It has broken so many lives and created piles of personal debt. I am so glad that I got out.

Dianentics85
Please tell the members of this forum about the 'Fair Game' directive introduced by L Ron Hubbard. Also please tell us about the behaviour of your organisation to individuals who dare criticise it's teaching.

To babayada.........you asked for the freekiest session with a PC.....Well, I wouldn't call it freeky....We all have stored experiences of pain, fear, confusion, etc....--lots of trauma--- buried deep in the Reaction Mind. I've had PC s who found relief from car accidents, beatings, parental abuse, rape, ....you name it.
The therapy session goes like this: I encourge the person to RETURN (not recall) to the incident, and I listen as they relive it again and again. sometimes 8 or 10 times. The release comes about when I see them yawning (30,40,50+ times per session), or by tears, and best of all loud laughter.
When the pain is all gone and the trauma has been seen in every tiny detail to have no more CHARGE (i.e. negative energy), then
the session is over.
MY fee for this service is $35/hr.

by far, by far, by far---a thousand times better than a psychiatrist who would very likely visit with that patient for 10 minutes, proclaim that she has a chemical imbalance, or suffering from bipolar, and subscribe prozac, and before she left his
office she'd write him a check for $150+.

And now do you have any wonder why
Scientology and Psychiatry are at war?
And who is winning the war?
Whose truth is carrying the victory?
I'll let you guess, and in my
next letter give you some data that
hasn't appeared in the press so far.

Have a good day.

Dear Living Success:

I'm truly sorry to hear your experience with Scientology was as you described.
I know hundreds of very happy Scientologists, people in all walks of life whose lives are a LIVING SUCCESS.

In all of Hubbard's books he writes on page 1 this advice: "IN READING THIS BOOK BE VERY CERTAIN YOU NEVER GO PAST A WORD YOU DO NOT FULLY UNDERSTAND. THE ONLY REASON A PERSON GIVES UP A STUDY OR BECOMES CONFUSED OR UNABLE TO LEARN IS BECAUSE HE OR SHE HAS GONE PAST A WORD THAT WAS NOT UNDERSTOOD.

Tell me, which books of Hubbard have you read, and did you follow his advice about using a dictionary?

Could it be that you failed to do that, and in your confusion blamed Hubbard ?

Lots of people have done that.

" In all of Hubbard's books he writes on page 1 this advice: "IN READING THIS BOOK BE VERY CERTAIN YOU NEVER GO PAST A WORD YOU DO NOT FULLY UNDERSTAND. THE ONLY REASON A PERSON GIVES UP A STUDY OR BECOMES CONFUSED OR UNABLE TO LEARN IS BECAUSE HE OR SHE HAS GONE PAST A WORD THAT WAS NOT UNDERSTOOD."

No point in photoreading his books I guess...

T

How like a Scientologist. Making everyone else wrong. We are right and that is all there is too it. By the way for individuals who criticise Holosync for being expensive; check out the cost of Scientology. You will be left slack-jawed with the expense ($350 000).
'Fair Game' directive?

NickR,

I know you have good intentions, and I am familiar with everything you've posted, but do not allow your knowledge of the subject to dehumanize this person.

It may be that Dianetics85 is a good person. Granted, he or she has associated him or herself with something you feel very strongly about so it may be difficult, but don't allow yourself to see a person as a thing. Typically that is where most inhumanity starts, seeing people as things.

So, relax. If you're right about Scientology and Dianetics (wink), this person will prove your points without you having to do a single thing.

Babayada
Fair point. Dianetics85 is probably a great guy. It just angers me how the Church preys on the gullible and needy. On a trip to London recently I saw Scientologists on the street with their clipboards, enticing people into their offices to take a personality test. It's just a 'money grubbing' machine. The Church's treatment of it's enemies makes frightening reading; hardly the behaviour of a modern 'spiritual movement. I going to let this subject go now, I would just implore anyone who is thinking of being a participant to check out the facts. Be careful!