Forums IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ Beyond Human How do you turn a problem over to God?

i find we are our own personal Gods
we can do all and be all
eventually we can trancend time and space

we can know things and try do something all problems if we know about them
we are love
not God
but we are also hate and can go beyond it all

It depends on your system of belief, Whiteeagle.

In some system the spirit world is organized like a government. Let's say your spirit guide is your own personal assistant. This person has only so much wisdom and power.

Let's say you come up against a BIG issue that is beyond the scope of your spirit guide's domain. Well, then you might pray to a saint, or one of the angels. If the issue is really big, you pray to God.

It's sort like not going to the President of the United States to renew your driver's license. You go to a smaller, more local authority to get that done.

Some people, however, believe that the relationship to God is personal. Why use a go between like a spirit guide, when you can relate directly to the source?

Why use a spirit guide when you can talk directly with God? A spirit guide might get something wrong.

That sort of thing.

There are people in certain religions who believe that spirit guides are demons posing as helpers who really have the agenda of damning the souls of those who follow them and creating evil under the pretense of creating good.

*shrugs*

if one cannot tell good from evil then how can they be sure they are praying to God anyway?
oh u could have expected that before the eating of the fruit by adam and eve
but they still got punished for it
original sin is a scam
a real God would not be so petty as to divide good and evil

Yeah, and Lucifer didn't fall. He was *PUSHED*, man!

It's all a big celestial conspiracy.

You know, it's funny you should say that. When I was a kid I had a really, really overactive imagination, and the stuff they told me at Catholic school, well, man.... it really messed with me.

There was a time I asked myself that very question, only in a different way. "What if my prayers to God are actually going to Satan instead?" And like the don't think of blue thing I could not help but think my prayers were going down to Old Scratch. It really had me paranoid. So did their "GOD SEES EVERYTHING!! HE SEES ALL YOUR SIN! ALL YOUR THOUGHTS! ALL YOUR FAULTS!"

I couldn't get over the thought that when I thought of my privates, God saw that too. What a celestial peeping Tom that old testament God is. You think he'd have something better to do ... like a run a universe. LOL.

not to mention genocidal maniac
like the rest of them it is good for the others good
there is much behind a lack of belief in the bibleGod
but the biggest to me is that they say that the self promotes itself as number one and the way to happyness it to make god number 1

now that only promotes the self again but just as number 2

there is a huge denial not some conspiracy
thing is that people have lots of words that confirms that people will try to break it

here is what the spiritual genius Lester Levenson said:

Question: When you say, "Let go and let God," does that
mean that you should work strictly on inspiration, or
should you just sit back and let things happen?

Lester: Have the feeling of "letting things happen." To
accomplish this, we have to let the ego-sense go. The ego
is the feeling, "I am an individual, Lester, and I have a
body and I do things." That's wrong. I have to get Lester
out of the way and let God or Self operate. When this is
achieved, you'll sort of float through things, and there
will be ho effort. If there is effort, there is ego.

Of course, now you're going to have to use some effort,
because you're not starting off as the realized Self. You
see, only when you go to the extreme do you let go of the
sense of doership and then things happen effortlessly.
That's letting go and letting God!

Professing faith, professing all these things, doesn't do
it -- actually having them does it. The fact that you
have troubles is proof that you don't have the conviction
of God, because God is All. God is Perfect, and if God is
All and God is Perfect, everything must be perfect.

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every time I manage to have that mind state the problem resoves itself, no matter how bad it seems. I realized why should I limit letting go and letting God only to problems in my life. What if I let go in every moment. The more I do that them more I find myself being totally present and just witnessing my body operating, and surprise: every moment becomes perfect by definition it just doesn't matter what my old mind would think about how things are. For me the key to getting to that state is practicing total acceptance, being present and aware and dissociating with my personality.

Best wishes,

Nick

That's how I feel when I go into the "letting the universe do me" mode instead of feeling that I have to do everything.

It's a great feeling.

A sort of non-interferening state of flowing with the tao. I think that even if you just sit on the sofa and "is" for a while, you're doing yourself good.

At the NLP seminar we'd have periods where the instructors would do a guided relaxation session and have a few minutes for the unconscious doing whatever it needed to do. It was a really good feeling. Just getting out of the way and saying, "Ok, buddy, this is the time for you. Go for it. I won't muck around in what you're doing."

With that and a whole bunch of other things going on, some of the weirdest and most wondering involuntary things started happening. Some were really freaky, though.

sometimes u need to use the self to get to non-self
a means to and end is sometimes ok

but the God based religions need to lie to attain that end
one that is different from the truth
and they lie to maintain it
it has been done many times
its not a matter of experience in these things apart from slight mental feeling that comes from the lies
like people getting happy when they think money is the greatest
understand it is at the root of evil (not the root)and u do not feel so happy

[This message has been edited by Prana (edited October 27, 2004).]

Money is not the root of all evil.

Money is just paper.

Being without compassion, rather, is what I consider the root of all evil.

During one of my creative moments, I came up with the idea of getting these very old looking thick bottles, finding evil, dark, twisted looking roots, putting them in some kind of preservative fluid inside each bottle, and then labeling each bottle "Root of all Evil" and selling them.

I think it'd make a funny novelty item you can pull out whenever someone says, "x is the root of all evil!"

You can say, "No it isn't. I have proof." *goes and gets the bottle* "THIS is the root of all evil, and as you can see, it isn't x."

[This message has been edited by babayada (edited October 27, 2004).]

money is a contract
at the root of evil
is is another mask to the real self
another want moved to neccessity
thats how we percieve most things
we only need a few things but want everything
that is part of what i mean