sometimes u need to use the self to get to non-self
a means to and end is sometimes ok

but the God based religions need to lie to attain that end
one that is different from the truth
and they lie to maintain it
it has been done many times
its not a matter of experience in these things apart from slight mental feeling that comes from the lies
like people getting happy when they think money is the greatest
understand it is at the root of evil (not the root)and u do not feel so happy

[This message has been edited by Prana (edited October 27, 2004).]