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In our quest to assign to god our impossible tasks, we fail to include in the equasion god's reasons for fulfilling our requests...
Ironic that the only tasks we ask god to do, only get done when we do them ourselves...

I.E.: ... a man has been lost in the desert for many days... He finds a great clear pristine lake in the midst of the great desert, and approaches, recognizing the lake as his god, falls to his knees in prayer, begging profusely to god to quench his thirst, and to cool his baked bleeding flesh...

A year later, a man who has been lost in the desert for many days, comes upon a great pure pristine lake, and recognizes it as his god... notices a sun bleached skeleton at the shore, kneeling in prayer... and ponders the skeleton a moment... then turns to the great cool lake, and dives in, quenching his thirst, and heals his wounds... and walks away whistling a happy tune...

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[This message has been edited by Life (edited January 10, 2005).]

And then there was a third guy who knew the territory. He lived there. He came by on a camel and saw this poor man--delirious from the heat and lack of thirst--writhing around in the sand and trying to drink it as if it were water.

"Hey," the camel rider said to the delusional person, "That's sand you're trying to drink." The man ignored him and started walking away, trying to whistle a tune in delirium with his dry, sand caked lips and mouth. Seeing that he wasn't being noticed, the man got off his camel and knocked the guy unconscious, put him on the back of his camel, and brought him home, where the poor soul was nursed back to health by people who live in the real world and know the dangers of running around alone in a desert under the spell of foolish notions.

The poor man, while healing was asked by the curious son of his helper, "Why did you go out into the open desert in the first place?"

"I had dreams of going out into the desert to find God. I thought God was trying to tell me to do so. It was my foolish arrogance in thinking that I could possibly know his reasons for anything that almost got me killed. Perhaps God was trying to bring me to you?"

"Poor soul, thats the second time I've witnessed you make the same mistake," said the child's father, who had been listening in silence to the conversation. "First you were arrogant enough to think you knew God's will and did not trust what your common sense told you. What did you think you were going to find except suffering and death, going out into a foreign, open desert unprepared and unexperienced? Now you're doing it a second time, thinking God meant for you to come to us. Let's hope we don't see a third. Here in the desert, we cannot afford to carry along fools. Out here, a fool is a danger to everyone."

The third time is the charm.

[This message has been edited by babayada (edited October 30, 2004).]

On my goodness! that poor third man... who ate sand...
Too bad he hadn't a clue that the oasis lake was just over the next hill... Poor fellow... must have been quite insane and mindless to eat sand when what he needed was water... may he rest in peace...
Amazing how the sick and the blind hold to their debilitative ailments so confidently and difinitively... and preach and defend their ailments with all their Being... Perhaps the third man (being quite retarded) should have visited a couple of shrinks, and gone to church, before taking his silly walk into the desert...

Yes, it is sad when that happens.

But it is ok, because its part of life. And what the true nature of the world is in this life is anybody's guess. I mean, no one really knows what's absolutely true. We just go on probabilities and experiences.

In the desert, though, knowing a mirage from reality is pretty darn important. You have to be very careful when you think you see water, and make your decisions deliberately. Sometimes it's helpful to ask a companion, "Hey, do you think that water over there is real?"

"No," says the companion, "We just came from there. Have a sip from the canteen. Our camp is over yonder. You think you can make it?"

"Yes."

But, you know, for that guy in the story, it's OK. He didn't die. Luckily he found what he needed, a group of people with whom he could share reality and receive nourishment. Maybe he'd stay with those people a while and learn their viewpoints, the way they lived. I am sure desert people have a lot to offer in terms of different viewpoints.

It would be interesting if you wanted to know how to live in the desert.

Personally, I don't think its crazy to go into the desert to find God. Sometimes the way people are wired, they need the whole experience like that. But I think the guy should have used his common sense and prepared better, rathen than going on blind faith.

I feel you can find spiritual worth just about anywhere. Seeing sharks swim in the Aquarium of the Americas did it recently for me. Another time, in Ireland, I had this beautiful dream of a fairie woman opening double-doors of brilliant golden-white light and awoke to find myself sitting up in my bed looking right at the risen sun. That was pretty freaky. I never sleepwalk or move in my sleep like that.

I love watching that World's Apart program on National Geographic. People live in other societies and sometimes take back another way of being in the world. It's pretty neat.

[This message has been edited by babayada (edited October 30, 2004).]

u start to see eventually that good and bad can be present anywhere
cause that is what God is
conciousness
it can become good and bad depending on the hands it is in
though both are neccesary
without one the other would not exist in this world
male without female
good without bad
that is the current funk they are in

even though the former created the later

in our emotions and real life it goes that way aswell
we look so much for results we never get anything done...etc

we are to busy making our needs into things we cannot do without and making the things we really cannot do without into secondary things unfocused

the religions are a kind of good idea gone wrong

and headed by some poeple with no real sense of spirituality

the only ones ive seen work are buddhism and hinduism
if there is a god it is the hindu version

Well, Prana, God is a pretty big subject. I remain happy saying I am agnostic and just don't know for sure.

When I think of God, however, my mind does contain shadows of notions and stories from my religous upbringing. But I am struck by the wonderful complexity of insects, the strangely horrible things that can and do happen to people, the things we do to ourselves, impersonal forces of nature that both nurture and destroy....

I then think of the sheer size of the universe and our tiny little place in it. I think of how limited our minds are, that we are thinking with pieces of meat that somehow have consciousness. I think of the biological limitations inherent upon the forms of thought we can think, the way we relate to the world around us, the way we describe it, and how often we mistake our relation with what is out there to absolute truth.

And now I am reading a book about the 4th spatial dimension and realize it is all a hell of a lot weirder, stranger, and more wonderful than I ever realized.

What sort of God exists there, if any? If God exists, it is hardly likely that he is in our image as we like to make him. He does not exist or operate by any of our standards, most likely. This being would be so foreign, so alien, so impossibly huge and complex as to be unknowable.

I think we have silly notions about God, because if we were really to conceive of what God is when we think about God.... well, there'd be a lot of exploding heads.

But, that's just my guess. How the heck should I know what God is or isn't?

[This message has been edited by babayada (edited October 31, 2004).]

well a real god would need forms
he could not have emotions really i do not think
well at least not many in the single form

the hindu trinity has brahma as the creator and shiva as the one who keeps it going
now the god which they are simply forms of is asleep
hahaha
sounds great to me if i were to be a god