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Youngprer,

Photographic memory, from my own experience, is just that, you see a picture (photo) of whatever it is that you want to see/recall with your mind's eyes. In fact, it's possible to see better than in the outer world (I don't want to say reality) because you can zoom in on things in your mind. I can't do that any more but I could when I was in primary school where I had to do quite a bit of rote learning. I remember sometimes I studied my history notes so many times in my effort to learn them all by heart that I just started to see the pages, with all the words on them, and the funny thing is, sometimes when I recited a page and came to a place where I couldn't remember a word, I would try to see the page in my mind to find that word, and exactly there, a word would be missing. Very annoying. But usually, the word would appear/come to mind eventually.

You are in grade 9, right? My daughter is in the same grade. Last Monday evening, she was all stressed about studying for a History test on the Reformation. You mentioned something about having difficulties with organization. Well, she always types/writes out the things she needs to study/know for a particular test. It's a habit that her middle school History teacher started her on. So when she studies, the organization is already there. (It's also a great help to have these notes come finals time.) Anyway, she asked me to quiz her just before bedtime, and usually I have to keep scanning the notes to make sure that she's got everything because she doesn't rote learn and so she tells me the info all mixed up and out of sequence. But last Monday night, she told me everying in exactly the sequence that the notes had it. We were both amazed! This had never happened before. She noticed too that this made it alot easier to remember the dates, at least the years. (But she still didn't know her stuff word for word the way I used to, but then she's always learned by understanding, she's never been a rote learner.) Last night she had to study for a German test, full of lists, like which prepositions had to be conjugated with which case, etc. When she asked me to quiz her, we were amazed again. Not only did she know her lists, but all in sequence. And for the first time she had the same experience I had had, that she could see the pages in front of her, when she got a blank in her recitation and tried to see it on the page, she found a blank there too.

Want to guess what made the difference in her learning, or rather, style of recall? She started listening to the Memory Supercharger paraliminal last Sunday night. That's the only thing she did that's different. Otherwise she studied the same way as usual.

Some schools of meditation use visualization as a meditation technique. Some practitioners of the Tibetan schools use mandalas as objects of meditation. Here, the meditator first looks at the picture with the eyes open, then closes the eyes, and tries to see it again/visualize it with the eyes closed. This is practised until every detail of the mandala can be visualized/recreated in the mind. http://www.jyh.dk/indengl.htm#Mandala

There are also people who are naturally gifted with photographic memory. ( I have a feeling we all are, it's just a matter of learning/practising how to access.) They see a picture and then can 'see' it again, and again, whenever they want. And they just do it, without intention nor volition. Some people can do the equivalent with other senses.

Photographic memory does not directly aid comprehension. It's great for visual learning, such as art. Otherwise, for the printed word, run with photoreading. So what if you can reproduce pages and pages of a book in your mind. Don't forget they are stored there as photos/pictures, to get anything out of them you've still got to READ them.

[This message has been edited by Hel (edited May 23, 2002).]

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Hel,
I found your explaination very interesting. I seem to have some ideas forming because of it. I hope I can catch them before they elude me

Alex






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Yes, me too. I went to walk the dog after I posted, and I was somehow a little irritated by the sentence about how PM does not directly aid comprehension. And then ideas started popping into my mind, including this other post of Youngprer's re, as I remember, where PR's going to go from here, or something to that nature.

Well, I started thinking that one way PM would definitely be an asset is that if we had the book PM'd, then we can SR&dip as well as RR much easier and faster, not to mention the convenience. The drawback is for most of us, it takes a lot of time and effort to actually achieve PM of something. It takes ages to be able to visualize a mandala (as far as I know), or even just a page of notes.

Then I got to thinking, what if the PR step can do that for us. Maybe it does. We just don't know how/can't yet retrieve the pictures that way. Maybe we need another, altogether different activation/recall technique. Not just for (high rate of) comprehension.

That's the logical next step to take PR. Let's think of the PR step as saving stuff onto the harddrive, audio, video, word, excel, powerpoint, etc. Actually, let's just deal with print to begin with. When we call up a file into the RAM (activate PR'ed info into conscious mind), say a word file, we don't want just 'comprehension', do we? We want to see the whole thing exactly as we put it in. When we can get our minds to do that, then of course it would work much faster than any computer.

We would still have to comprehend, but that would go much faster, and I dare say, probably more spontaneously, or more often more spontaneously. And then, we won't just have a high level of comprehension, but we would have the text at our disposal. We would be able to chew over difficult to understand material whenever (making use of bits of free time,sort of like adsl) or, for the sake of information or argument, to cite directly from the text.

Is this attainable? Why not? We are on this forum, aren't we? Where members do not hold limiting believes. Come on, everyone, let's figure this out.

Youngprer, thanks for throwing these questions out into the ether for us.








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Hi all,

I think we all have a photographic memory to some extent, some of us just utilize it more than others.

As an example, both my brother and I are known to say things like "I can't remember what it says, but its on the left hand side, page 63, in the right hand column." If you were to look you'd see exactly what it is we were discussing, but we couldn't remember the exact wording.

I don't know a lot of people who do this, in fact, I can't think of one person I know.

I don't think that he or I are any more talented or gifted, just that we recall differently. I've often wondered if it is because we are visual learners. If someone starts talking to me about something, I get a bit glazed but if they just email it to me or show me a book I'm perfectly fine with it.

I hope that makes sense ...

Tracey~






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I know what you mean Tracy.

I was reminded of situations of memorising poetry having to recite it line by line or else rewrite it in the correct layout. Another situation that came to mind is in a policing situation the officer has to issue a verbal warning it had to be worded exactly as in the offical written text and memorised. It proved to be rather difficult because none of the words formed visual associations. It would have helped if it could have been read. However fail to give the correct warning from memory on testing, you failed, redo entire course.

Idea forming... I'll come back later
Alex






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