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Greetings,
I've been following the posts on whether or not the PR system really works for some time now. I think it is time that the PR system be put to a controlled trial and let the results of the study be published for all to see. If this system works then it should hold up to scientific scrutiny. I've heard enough to be interested now let's see some proof.

I would also like to see the PR system tested with and without the PR step. Does multiple 'passes' of the text cause as much retention as PRing the same text?

Thanks in advance...

Hi there,
just thought about this.. well let me tell u something:

2 every child gravity is trivial as an existing force field. newton proved that F=m1*m2*G/r² ...yet he didnt prove it mathematically(damn). He took the proportions of each equation & guessed that both masses have 2 be proportionate by G. did any1 tell u that G=6.67*10 to the power of -11?? nope ,only experiments (quandish)..still this is all completely "theoretical" & unproven yet NASA used this 4 the utmost basic calculations & the human race managed 2 reach the moon..
everybody knows that e=mc² right? wrong! u didnt prove it urself, u were just told the formula as a child so u could be more proud in the achievments of the human race. now lets assume that einstein did prove this(i believe him, ill take 4 months of my life 2 prove it once & 4 all)..einstein proved it 2 be right but its just a formula that proves the current theory of relativity 2 be right. but, theories change. its a fact because nobody knows what is really happening, so every now & then some1 suggests a better module thats all.. yet this theory allowed the human race 2 use nuclear power plants & nuclear weapons.

now ppl, i ask u 1 thing:
u have this method called photoreading which has this 96% success rate & it is based on a strong theory. it has been demostrated all over the world & its based on successful experiments in accelerated learning & NLP in the last 50 years. so it is tested& proved as working in the same manners as 95% of the modern human sciense.

my point is that i just proved 2 u is that photoreading is working..therefore if u w8 4 the time 4 it 2 be "proven" ull never learn it (mayb it will be proven after our time). ur reffering photoreading as a totally voodoo proccess , yet it is showing results 4 almost 20 yrs now..therefore obligation to not learning it now is just plain laziness & pure misbelief in ur abilities as a human being.

p.s.
just 4 case ill give u this game 2 "prove":

be the math the collection of all the integer,whole,rational and irrational numerals, all the arithmetics,axioms & sentances..prove it
- now we cant use math 2 prove what math is math can we?

urs truly
Raanan Hadar

Thanks for the reply,
I must admit that when I posted the question it was not to get into a discussion about the validity of mathematics or the fundamental concepts of quantum physics. It was to encourage the comparison of this technique with standard reading. More interesting to me is whether the PR step truly has a significant effect on comprehension or are the multiple 'passes' the backbone of this technique. The study would be easy enough to do. We compare one group against another matching them for age, schooling and initial standard 'reading' speed. We give both groups the same time to read the material and give a comprehension exam afterward.
If it has already been done please point me to the reference. I think the PR system may have validity from my own experiences but I would love to see a comparison.

Please no more discussions about reality/mathematics/physics/stock prices/etc..Let's stay on the topic...

Thanks in advance

paul mentioned in the PR book that they held documented tests on some scientific channel.
it showed photoreaders read from computer screens at amazing speeds. after it they all did comprehension tests. paul & pete also had had many demonstrations they gave theirselves on the radio & on national television when they photoread & activated in the presence of live audience. ive never seen them committing this act yet i still believe the validity of the system because it just works 4 me. imho u sound like u havent even read the book. i suggest that minimally just buy it. even if this whole system "doesnt work" & u will still learn to read&comprehend much faster & effectively using the conscious parts of the system. whats 2 lose there?

if there was a test i would be there although im really new still i have belief, & the system does work greatly 4 me. so still i can surpass any normal reader in means of speed & comprehension..in my opinion its not even comparable, its as the call it "a quantom leap" .the comprehension i obtain through photoreading is like in a leap in my ability 2 recall it & my understanding is much greater. so in conclusion just try!!

I have the book and have been experimenting with the concept for some time now. As I said in my post I have my own positive experiences with the techniques but that is not the issue here. Again, I look forward to seeing the references and the data.

Thanks in advance.

as i mentioned this method has been demonstrated about a million times. i have no references but my own personal experience which is more than enough 4 my satisfaction.
if u want more references u better address pete he's loaded with it

Hello d5wstat,

If you expected a straight answer, you probaly came to the wrong place. Most answers to legitimate questions concerning the validity of the photoreading step/sytem here seem to be answered only by people totally stoned or something. They either answer that you must just have FAITH, or give a type of convoluted answer to confuse the issue - usually attacking the sciences somehow to make photoreading look good or somehow scientific related in comparison. Not that science or scientists are perfect, but I believe that they are overall objective and have tests, data to back it up.

I have no idea what Raanan is trying to say with the math/science analogy. But where did he get these success rates from? Testimonials, anecdotes, or scientific tests? And the demostrations in front of live audience, infomercials, radio shows - that is proof? These things are easily rigged. I wouldn't accept anything less than independent published results. d5wstat, I have never seen independent scientific results supporting photoreading though I have looked. I wish you luck though, finding any.

Granted. Makes you wonder why in 20 or so years, not ONE study has ever been done. But again, what matters is whether or not the system makes its users read faster with better comprehension/retention.

The efficacy of 1000 things that I use daily in my life has never been proven. Yet I use them, because they work.

Case in point: my toilet seat. I don't care whether or not it has been scientifically proven to add comfort to evacuation... What matters is the experienced result..comfort.

or...I enjoyed the relaxing effect of blue walls as a child years before a study came out telling me that blue walls were relaxing.

Scientific proof or knowledge of 'how' something works can never hurt, but I deem it wholly unnecessary. I experience beneficial results regardless.

This requires both a willingness to explore, and the assuredness that I don't need to know everything about something in order to use it.

[This message has been edited by Brian649 (edited April 08, 2001).]

hi there,
was passover so only now i got 2 read this.
Chaos : (this msg is 4 u) my point is really simple. in our life we dont attack stuff. we use them 2 our own good, y? because if we dont, we wont get any progress. i only count my success rates thats y i dont really want/need any proof from guys in here, i dont live in the usa i live in israel & i havent seen any visual proof of the system in my entire life. i just tried it & "poof" it worked.
i really suggest that u just try this. my math/physics nagging were only there 2 show u the routine & legitimacy of how things r happenning in our world. ill make this very simple. if u werent intrested in learning this, u werent hanging here & there wasnt a forum 4 this matter. if ur here anyway & thats not ur purpose then u need 2 get out more.
i only ask you to try it. if you will analyze this too much then it will never work because in this rate u will never get 2 try it.
again i dont need any testimonials i have this thing in my head that tells me "go on, u can do anything" its called ambition & belief in self it has nothing 2 do with drugs.
sure anything is hard 2 believe at first. when i told my friends about it they sure loled in the beginning,
but now when i get over metarial in a much more faster manner, they agreed 2 learn the system in the big holiday. b4 the holiday we had a test on a part of the bible we started going over the metarials. the beauty of it its that it just gelled perfectly. when i finished it i asked my friend where r u? he told me "eeemm im only in the 3rd page or so" , its really hard 2 believe that i got about 90%+ comprehension when he only got 2 the 3rd page and any more time i would spent with it will bring me more comprehension much faster than normal reading. imho u dont need 2 let ur fears stop u. u really dont have 2 buy the course u can read about the steps in this forum & use them. but i really recommend just buying the book as a first move. & if u do buy the course theres a money back gurantee anyway.

4 conclusion think about this -where will i stand in 2 years from now & where will u? im 16 now by the time ill b 25 or so ill be really nasty with this. do as u wish im just trying 2 help u.

Raanan Hadar

[This message has been edited by Raanan Hadar (edited April 08, 2001).]