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Brian,
Sounds like there could be some rapid gains to be had out there on the fringe of mega-Paraliminal exposure. Here's to creativity and initiative! Please keep us posted.

I've experimented in the past with various forms of sleep learning. I never tried using Paraliminals -- may try your suggestion.

One thing I disliked about sleep learning: the audible voices would usually prevent me from dropping too deeply into a satisfying slumber. I'd often wake up tired and grumpy. Dropping the volume helped somewhat. Did you feel that the quality of your night's sleep was compromised at all by the voices -- or did blending in the binary beat take care of that?

Did you arrange the track on your CD so you could listen to the the introduction and the awakening -- in addition to the 'meat'?

Thanks - and keep it up!

I did this with the Memory and Personal Genius tapes. Use the features that even the most outdated soundcard can support. Record your tapes in .wav format by hooking up your Walkman to the input jack on your soundboard (this will require a cable purchase at radioshack or your PC speakers may already have the cable you need).

Crop the "This is Paul" beginning and exclude the get comfortable part on all but the first tape.wav (if your already in the meditative mood why listen to that part multiple times, put the "countdown to joy, you feel great" ending only on the last one). Edit all your tapes into one file and convert to an MP3 or record onto a longer tape or burn to disk. See where I am going with this?

You can get the audio programs from CNET or some hacker site of your choice. They are typically freeware. You can do this on a simple dual cassette player too.

I recorded the first 1/2-hour at regular volume and the rest at a lower volume so I could sleep through it.

As for sleep-learning, I record my class lectures and transfer to my computer in this manner. I listen while I sleep. That is all! No study or cramming for exams. My lowest test score since I started doing this was a 96%. Okay, I can admit that I take laziness to all new heights! I'll own that one. I don't have time to burn myself out taking written notes all day, that is what Calculus is for!

DON'T accidentally save converted paraliminal files in your shared Napster folder. LSC has earned their money here and should continue to do so. Besides, intelligence in the wrong hands can be a dangerous thing (can you say Theodore Kaczynski?) Some people are better off stupid! ENJOY!

If I sound condescending in this post it is because I am! Character flaw or just the fact that I have been listening to the Memory/Genius tapes 24/7 for three months strait, I don't know. Knock yourself out guys.
See-ya!

[This message has been edited by Signman (edited November 30, 2000).]

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Originally posted by Signman:
DON'T accidentally save converted paraliminal files in your shared Napster folder. LSC has earned their money here and should continue to do so.

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Absolutely!
I think that the mention of LSC evokes a sort of heartfelt loyalty, no? ...a profound respect that I find completely lacking for entertainment industry moguls.

Signman, that was pretty intense!

Could you further describe the process you use for your lectures? For instance, do you play 8 different lectures per night? Do you play past lectures throughout the semester? How great is your recall upon waking? Must you undergo activation? Do you sit through the lecture or let the tape record?

I've got to look into this...

[This message has been edited by Brian649 (edited November 30, 2000).]

Hey Guys,
First, I heartily agree with you about NOT sharing files, with a thing or two to add to it: Since we here are all satisfied, loyal paying customers of Learning Strategies, I hope it's understood that we are engaging in experimentation with OUR OWN products -- which WE OURSELVES PURCHASED from LS -- and we're using them for OUR OWN experimentation. This is not being done to circulate paraliminals among non-paying customers. This is done in the spirit of testing (pushing?) the limits of what can be truly done with this technology (and the co-operation of your own mind). Personally, I think the potential for abuse here is very slim compared to what's going on in the music industry. I'm glad we're all on the same page here. LS is a great company with first-rate products and is to be respected. Okay, enough with the sermon, let's get back to the fun stuff...

Signm...thanks a bunch for your generosity with the info, it answered some questions I had and helped speed up my learning curve in setting this up.

You're quote:
******I can admit that I take laziness to all new heights!*****

If that's what "laziness" is -- it's been badly mis-named. As I see it, what you've done is apply your creativity to give you maximum leverage and efficiency in learning in a way that would not have occurred to/been accepted by most people. To me, that worthy of praise -- not derision. I have a theory: some people get 1 unit of benefit for every unit of effort put in; some find a way to get 10 units of benefit for every unit of effort put in; with others, the ratio is 100/1 -- still others it's 1000/1, etc., etc. Your efforts in learning definitely belong in one of those latter categories. Nice goin'. I believe some form of effort/energy exchange is necessary to achieve one's goals, but some people are able to pull to themselves achievement/attainments in life in ways that are pretty amazing. It may look like you're getting "something for nothing" to an outside observer -- because they don't understand the mechanics of what you're doing and perhaps because they're content to cling to old, inefficient models for accomplishment. You set your sights on finding better ways to do, so you did. (How's that for a little 'reframe' around the idea of laziness?!)

I've gotta go, I'll be back later. See ya.

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As for sleep-learning, I record my class lectures and transfer to my computer in this manner. I listen while I sleep. That is all! No study or cramming for exams. My lowest test score since I started doing this was a 96%.

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hmmm...

From: www.supermemo.com/articles/sleep.htm

This website says that sleep learning:
A. Disturbs the quality of sleep, because brain circuts are more tuned into sensing danger than processing information.

B. Only really work during the 10 minutes of REM sleep out of every 90 min sleep cycle.

and from britannica.com:
"When EEG criteria of sleep are employed, it appears that "sleep learning" of verbal material takes place only to the degree that the person being tested is partially awake during the presentation of the stimuli."

I'm still very much interested though... Considering we spend one third of our lives sleeping, it would be exciting to be able to use that time for learning.

I'll try to answer more questions this weekend when I have more time but would like to add to the Sleep learning subject.
After reading Brians post I thought briefly about it. As far as I know I may not be gaining anything from the sleep sessions and it may be that instead of performing a dictation function in class I am actually learning what is being taught and exercising my memory. Taking notes has never been easy for me, all my attention is on making sure i copy all the info legibly and coherently. It tends to take away from actually grasping what is being taught. To the amount that the sleep sessions actually help is unknown...BUT it has to be greater than zero so something is gained!
I sleep like a baby weather or not i listen to the tapes. I grew up listening to music as I slept and if I don't listen to anything I have to have a fan on just for the noise.

I have woken up from a re-occuring dream where I am caught in an arguement between two people both speaking at the same time and couldn't get them to shut up, go figure But more often than not the earphones come off during the night and I just waste battery juice.

That site offers some good points: Let me counter for a moment or two. (just my opinions)

A. Disturbs the quality of sleep, because brain circuts are more tuned into sensing danger than processing information.

This is silly. We don't live in caves anymore. Our brain is programmed to sense danger if we live in that type of environment, anyone here from Bosnia? I doubt any of us are. That would have to be a conditioning thing. Besides if it were true then my brain is terribly neglect of its duties because I don't wake up for my alarm clock half the time let alone a stealthy intruder. I have good locks.

B. Only really work during the 10 minutes of REM sleep out of every 90 min sleep cycle.

Hey cool. That is about 50 minutes of effort free learning for every eight hours of sleep. Have Kathleen Turner (a.k.a. Jessica Rabbit) do the voice instead of Paul and you would never want to wake up! I have seen these glasses before that you wear while sleeping that detect REM and blink a light so you can realize you are dreaming and participate lucidly. If we could get them to start a ten minute paraliminal session that would be cool. There is a product for LSC to look into maybe.

"When EEG criteria of sleep are employed, it appears that "sleep learning" of verbal material takes place only to the degree that the person being tested is partially awake during the presentation of the stimuli."

Well you got me there! Can't argue with an online encyclopedia. There are probably test that will counter this view somewhere. I don't think that the subjects are actually trying to condition themselves to recieve and process info while sleeping like us. From what I have gathered from these tapes and forums is that the brain can be self programmed for anything, like sensing danger while sleeping for example. So I wouldn't eliminate any possibilities just yet.

"Explore, discover, re-evaluate, change" That is my motto! And it is probably why I am nothing like my folks or any one else I know. It is why most of us are seeking what LSC is offering. POSITIVE CHANGE

And on that note....to all a good night!

Jeff

[This message has been edited by Signman (edited December 01, 2000).]

I took a gander at the website you mentioned. Very interesting. It may well be possible to lessen the quality of sleep by continually pumping in auditory stimuli during sleep cycles. I mentioned earlier have less than satisfying sleep, at times, when I tried this.

I've also read research where the findings seemed very favorable toward absorbing information while sleeping (people in study learning a foreign language this way). I remember reading one researcher saying that it hasn't been conclusively determined whether or not there is an ideal sleep period that allows the absorption of information/suggestions.

Personally, I'm game to give it a go. Sounds like you are, too. There could be something to this. When in doubt, I prefer to do my own testing. There could be something very useful here.

If listening to paraliminals continuously at night hurts my sleep and causes my to be less effective during the day, I'll know...and I'll discontinue. If it's working, I'll keep at it.

Would anyone who's had experience with listening to tapes during sleep like to comment?

Looks like Signman posted as I was doing my reply. Perhaps some things I brought up in my post were clarified in his. I'll have to read it now.

Just making sure this makes sense to anyone reading it, sequence-wise. I was actually responding to Brian's post.

They seem to go hand in hand, Paul. Everyone interested should test for themselves. Some of you out there can't sleep if there are any noises what so ever, so this may not be an option. Some might be light sleepers and continually disturbed by the tapes. Self discovery is a must. Good luck to all.

By the way... does anyone know why you shouldn't have your thumbs touching while listening to these tapes. Not knowing is causing me to dwell on it during the tapeplay. Just curious.

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By the way... does anyone know why you shouldn't have your thumbs touching while listening to these tapes?

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Just a guess. When sitting, you can have your hands in two positions--folded together or placed on the thighs. Perhaps Paul S. has read that hands on the thighs cause better flow of energy? Versus thumbs touching, which implies folded hands. Folded/crossed/blocked anything is bad. For example, crossed arms/legs blocks energy and symbolically locks the mind?

I surmise.