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#2284 12/10/00 10:43 PM
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Brian-“Signman, looks like you are getting out of the sign business? What are you going for in college and beyond?”

Brian,
At the end of this semester I will have all my general courses finished, thank God. Being forced to take classes that I explored already in high school was a chore! The only upper level classes that I have taken so far have been mathematics, physics, and electronic engineering. Those areas will be my main pursuit when I transfer next fall to Sac State. One will likely become my major and the others will just be to aid in my major or for my own curiosity. I will also take some programming classes. But after this semester I will be working full time until fall to get some money saved for the transfer and to pay off my bills.

“WHAT IF EDISON HAD GOTTEN 8 HOURS SLEEP EACH NIGHT AND NO NAPS?”

His peers would have liked him more I think he would have still made the advanced that he did. Maybe just on a longer timetable. When I had Trig it was the last class of the day. That class really made math seem ugly to me and I was struggling with it. Coming home and taking a nap became a routine. 45-60 minutes and then I would do my math homework first. On days where a nap wasn't possible I would watch the news for the same amount of time. Either way it made doing homework more effortless than when I would start homework the moment I walked through the door or without some kind of escapism.

The way we sleep isn't an evolutionary remnant. On days that I go out and spend 14 hours in the rain and cold installing an Applebee's sign I usually will have no dreams during the next nights sleep, just a very deep, deep sleep. Obviously a recovery sleep; very difficult to wake from. On the weekend or days where I don't really over exert myself I dream a lot; very easy to get up the next morning.

What I am getting to is that the mind has some wonderful mechanisms in place to regulate what our body needs. The medical community doesn't completely understand them yet and I doubt anyone in the alternative realm does either. So I am not to big on tampering with them on a regular basis. An occasional Delta meditation to get you through some last minute cram sessions for class is a good tool but to use this coupled with theta naps everyday, as a substitute for natural sleep, is inherently dangerous. I can't safely operate a car, work 150 feet in the air on a sign or use heavy equipment while life takes on a dreamlike state. It would only lead to death.


Paul-"In one respect, for us to even speak meaningfully here, we would first have to recognize and validate a piece of linguistic coding labeled 'genius' (and unconsciously assume the corollary that anyone who wasn't or didn't exhibit 'genius' fell into a category called 'not-genius' or 'other-than-genius'"

Paul,
I agree that almost everyone has a bit o' genius in them that is waiting to be expressed or is expressed everyday and is just not recognized by others. Many people I have encountered have very obvious gifts that will not get them the recognition of “genius” because their gift is an obscure one in the big picture (a Waldo gift). If Einstein had been naturally interested in history we would likely have never heard of him regardless of his historical theories or Richard Feynman if his interest were in agriculture instead of mathematics? Our societies requirements for genius are fickle. Think of some of the more obscure character actors out there that you may consider incredibly talented that mostly go unnoticed while Keanu Reeves gets millions per movie and can’t act very well at all. I like his movies okay but it does show that we have some strange value systems and Genius is right in their with it, unfortunately.

Does higher intelligence equal genius? Should an individual with an I.Q. of 140…160…200 be considered a genius? I think not and the term shouldn’t even be used in the tests. Genius is as genius does. Higher intelligence only means you are smarter than most, it doesn’t mean you are a genius. Even though Webster’s disagrees. “Genius” is an accolade reserved for those that have exercised their potential to some notable degree. Well that’s my two cents for the weekend.
Later
Jeff







#2285 12/11/00 09:31 PM
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Brian,

One of the contributing technologies in Holosync that directly leads to sleap reduction is the use of the Silent Subliminals. These are subliminal messages encoded using UHF, so your ears get a good workout listening to them. If Dr Tomatis is correct, working out your ears in this way will lead to increased energy, heightened creativity, better digestion, and less sleep.

Centerpoint have a tape with some nice 3D envronmental sounds and the UHF sounds in the background. The tape is called Silent Stim. As a suggenstion, why don't you try adding that to your meditation? Use Silent Stim for pleasant environmental sounds and the UHF (just barely audible), your delta waves for the meditation, and a paraliminal tape. With the right recipe, it shouldn't sound too cacophonous - it will probably even heighten your experience!






#2286 12/11/00 09:57 PM
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whatthe222, you musnt' say such things! I'm very easily inspired. I just got off of the high of my week-long anti-sleep stint...just returned to earth... and now...

I must say, these sound like dynamite suggestions!!! I just looked into the possibility really quickly. I thought I remembered reading about such a preset for the Brainwave Generator a while ago. I checked its egroups forum and there it was. It's called 'silent sound' and is suppposed to mimic the effects of the actual 'silent stim'. Here is the description:

"Utilising beats at levels close to being subliminal, a combination of window frequencies leads the user into a profoundly altered state, consisting of low theta waves combined with bursts of gamma waves. Research has shown such a combination to be linked with moments of insight and transcendence. You will find that the beats themselves are consciously imperceptable behind the modulated pink noise."

You've got me psyched to try this out now!

breaking the limits,
brian

PS. In the final hours of my episode, I think I began to experience psychic phenomenon. 5 times in a row when I looked up at the clock it was all the same numbers like 3:33, 4:44, 5:55. And then a friend of mine sent me THREE successive emails regarding subjects that I was thinking about EXACTLY at that same time. Also, from depriving myself of theta sleep and becoming delta weighted, it felt like my third eye was burning a HOLE in the center of my forehead.

Hey, personally I don't believe in this stuff--psychic abilites--at least I don't think I do, I don't know--it's all a little too fantastic. It was really scaring me actually... as in freaking me out. Not fear as in the sense of anxiety, but in the sense of a creeping nightmare...gave me the willies. It must have been coincidence.






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I read a book on the Tomatis effect once and was fascinated. If I remember right, the need for sleep is greatly reduced after 100 hours of listening to specially prepared Tomatis tapes. I wasn't aware that the Silent Subliminals are prepared to produce this same effect using UHF. I have two of these tapes that are voices only, no environmental sounds.

Combining silent subliminals with Paraliminals is a very intriguing idea. Auditorily, at least, they would compliment each other.






#2288 12/12/00 01:37 AM
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Paul,

The two processes can complement each other, but are completely different. Silent Subliminals are in essence no different that any other subliminal recording - just far better made. Paraliminals, on the other hand, are prepared from the teacher / student standpoint; they have your mind rehearse the desired result in different ways, so that this result becomes reality.

Kinda like the definition I got on the net:
AlGoreithm, n. (al-gor-ith-m)

Any method of calculation performed endlessly until a predetermined
desired result is produced.

I think that the Silent Subliminals can certainly complement the paraliminals in that it would reinforce what Paul tries to teach. Paul teaching us how to perform a function, and the silent subliminals assuring us that we can... Now there is something to salivate about...

Brian,

I was having some thoughts about your super paraliminal sessions. I think Personal Genuis might be a waste of time in this case, because problem solving and creativity cannot be learned in this way. You can set your mind up for learning, but only continual use of your mind would improve those abilities. Memory, on the other hand, could probably benefit a lot from this process.

I don't know, but something tells me that memory is just not rocket science. As long as you believe in your ability to remember, know how to focus, and then be able to associate with what you want to know, you should be able to develop a near perfect memory without a hitch.

Just a thought...








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I was having some thoughts about your super paraliminal sessions. I think Personal Genuis might be a waste of time in this case, because problem solving and creativity cannot be learned in this way. You can set your mind up for learning, but only continual use of your mind would improve those abilities.

oh oh oh oh, no! no no no, it can't be! at least, I don't think so. You may be right. Let's examine this. This has not been my experience at all. My mind has been on FIRE these past couple days.

Okay, here are the factors to consider:

I. 2 hours of meditation--proven to do wonders for the mind.

II. 2 hours of listening to paraliminals in delta trance-- 'may' do wonders for the mind

III. REM sleep deprivation (in my experience) causes the conscious mind to recede and the gate to the subconscious to open--after a while, it starts to feel like someone is prying your two frontal lobes apart with a crowbar.

It's either one or a combination of these three. I'm open to the possibility that the paraliminals have nothing to do with it. If anything though, they help me enter and stay in a deep state of meditation MUCH faster than normal.

Memory, on the other hand, could probably benefit a lot from this process.

I don't know, but something tells me that memory is just not rocket science. As long as you believe in your ability to remember, know how to focus, and then be able to associate with what you want to know, you should be able to develop a near perfect memory without a hitch.

Could we not develop belief in our genius abilites *in the same manner* that we develop belief in our memory? Neither tape operates, to my knowledge, with any type of rehearsal or visualization or practice. --Paul S. appears to be using the same techniques on both tapes--that is, methods to implant beliefs in our innate abilities.

So, if PG is a waste of time in a mega-session, then wouldn't MS be a waste of time also, given that they are the same style tape with the same style goal? --building faith

Also, if we cannot learn genius abilities without continual use of your mind, as you contend, then even listening to the PG tape in the conventional manner would be a fool's errand, no?

The way I see it, the key goal of both tapes is to inculcate Belief on the deepest level, which is beyond traditional teaching and learning

The idea that we need to practice in order to get better at something is a different perspective that Paul S. doesn't seem to be dealing with here. --when you "truly" believe in your natural latent abilities, as in the case of wenger's 'borrowed genius' technique, it is my experience that you WILL see an increase in ability WITHOUT practice.

Signman,

“WHAT IF EDISON HAD GOTTEN 8 HOURS SLEEP EACH NIGHT AND NO NAPS?”

I think he would have still made the advanced that he did. Maybe just on a longer timetable.

I find what you say intriguing. This is a pretty important issue since there are high number of geniuses who have had irregular sleeping patters--so I just want to explore the possibilites:

I. Irregular sleeping patterns CAUSE genius. (playing with theta either through a. more sleep or b. theta deprivation or c. hypnogogic naps.)

II. Genius CAUSES irrelgular sleeping patterns. (ie, the passion of thinking and creating keeps them up into the wee hours or taking naps instead of snoozing) (Einstein not only was a prolific napper, but the absolute minimum time spent alseep for him was 9 hours, and, if I recall correctly, he regularly slept as many as 12 hours(?)) (Edison had 4 hours and plenty of catnaps) (I think Da Vinci was *just* naps) (and you mentioned Tesla)

III. There is slight correlation in terms of *rate of discoveries*, as you suggest. (that geniuses are able to skip over a lot of traditional 'trial and error' exploration and jump to the good stuff via the 'ahas' brought on by irregular sleep.

IV. There is no correlation between sleep and genius. --seems very unlikely.


The first three perspectives appear feasible.

The question is, which one belief could potentially serve you the most?

Pragmatically speaking, wouldn't it serve us more to believe in Belief #1?

Why? We are not all geniuses (at the moment), but we CAN play with our sleep, and if it turns out that either #1 is true or that my belief in #1 makes it true... then that puts us one step closer to geniushood!

The other perspectives (though possibly true) just don't give us the option of using sleep manipulation as a means toward increasing our genius abilities.

Peace






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Brian

PG certainly has it's uses, I just can't see it being used in a mega-session. If you have belief in you genuis abilities inculcated to bring about a desired end result, then that would probably help you achieve it. Also, just prior to learning, PG helps get you into the flow state.

I believe problem solving to be a learned ability, whearsa memory to be more innate. Memory Superchager opens you up to the possibility that the way you currently use your memory may not be all that it's capabale of. Also, if you listen to the tape, you will see that Paul indeed guides you to use your memory effectively. "Focused on the pool... the childs mind associated with the pool... and letting go of the need to know the answer..."

For the sake of experiment, why don't you try using MS in a mega session? Of course, you would want to be clear on some purpose first. You wouldn't want any of the baggage that people associate with a photographic memory...






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There is one eternal truth, but infinite ways of perceiving that truth.

I believe problem solving to be a learned ability, whereas memory to be more innate.

Well, I don’t know. I took an intro cognitive science class last year and learned some stuff on how cognitive psychologists like to quantify our mental functioning—very useful for creating AI models.

One of the theories says that there are two innate processes going on. Namely, memory access and thought. The two go hand in hand, and I would describe both as ‘innate’. What good is one without the other?

To put this in elementary computer science terms, you’ve got your data structure, and then you’ve got your function. Or in math, F(x), where x is memory and F() is the process of thinking which requires an input.

Here is where we get into semantics. I have the feeling that the next post will be about Problem Solving vs. Thinking. You may argue that Problem Solving is an intense ‘analytical’ skill that operates on a higher level than basic thinking, which we learn through years of practice in school—and you’d be right.

But the question is…. is Learning Strategies dealing with Analytical Intelligence?
In the same manner, is Personal Genius designed to increase your Analytical Intelligence?


Also, if you listen to the tape, you will see that Paul indeed guides you to use your memory effectively. "Focused on the pool... the childs mind associated with the pool... and letting go of the need to know the answer..."

You’re right. But for that matter, Paul does the same thing in PG. He has us walking around mansions, and opening doors for some reason or another…


For the sake of experiment, why don't you try using MS in a mega session?

Actually, I sort of do that:
1. Play the MS induction
2. Repeat the MS, then PG paraliminal portions.
3. Play the PG rising

I had a further idea. To take the all the paraliminals, divide them up into subjects that complement each other like:

action
Automatic Pilot
Get Around To It

social
Personal Magnetism
Relationships

genius
Personal Genius
Memory Supercharger

etc.
Take whichever inductions and 'coming to' portions are best, then take their paraliminal portions and repeat them constantly during the meditation.

If it can be done for memory (definitely) and for genius (possibly), it may work for other things as well.

FOR INSTANCE!!! The Natural Brilliance Generator!!!... wow... find some way to supercharge that session... it would induce god-like abilities of ALL SORTS. (I really am truly enamored with Natural Brilliance.)

Here’s a trivial anecdote: Last night, a couple of my friends made a Cantonese dinner. Though I have had innumerable opportunities to eat with chopsticks in the past couple years, I’ve never been able to get it, no matter how hard I tried. I’d always give up after the first couple minutes, then reach for a fork. Last night, as I was talking and without thinking, I just picked up a pair and starting using them just as well as everyone else! It didn’t even occur to me that I didn’t know how to use them until someone pointed it out! I was like, “oh yeah, that’s funny, I thought I didn’t know how to use these.” And then I got confused and awkward with them again.







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