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Have you thought about making these BWGEN presets available to other BWGEN users?Gary, the Tomatis Effect is now available at www.bwgen.com for those who have the registered (or cracked) version. Also, I have been cooking up something nice and sweet which I shall also make available given Zamolxe's (a bwgen wizard) permission and some further experimentation, Here is the recipe I'm working on, which I just posted over on Egroups bwgen site, but is pertinent here: "> Please share your favorites and explain why. Certainly, I find Zamolxe's Superlearning .wav to be absolutely phenomenal in stimulating the crown chakra inparticular--which is associated with omnicience and all that. However, I have made some alterations to that particular preset. There is always room for improvement!  Lately, I've been playing with the built in 'study aid', as well as the .wavs of 'memory booster' and 'superlearning'. (Though, I don't actually know Zamolxe's recipe. It certainly packs a punch!) First, I experimented to see which was best for studying: s2000.wav. Then I brainstormed how I could make it better: (I'm actually a PhotoReader, so entering and staying in the ideal learning state or resource level of mind is absolutely Paramount to the process.) Ia. memory booster .wav Ib. I assume this includes the ideal filtered pink noise II. tomatis .wav lightly in background III. sampled 60bpm tick tock .wav IVa. 10 4hz in Monroe septone formation from 200hz onward (is this wise?) IVb. these tones are 'pinked' as I like to say, meaning I used non-consciously-audible volume. I've tried many alternatives to IVa. including one 4hz at 200, one 4.5hz at 200 (trance is better for photoreading activation). I've tried spreading the 10 4hz binaural beats throughout the 200 to 1000hz pitch range. I also tried giving each of these 10 different waveforms. I'm pretty sure the above recipe is DYNAMITE except for "IVa" and perhaps a relaxing background like stream.wav (though that might be too much) Any suggestions? Cheers, Brian"
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Hi Brian & others I just discovered this Forum, and I'm fascinated about this thread. I have another sleep-reducing technique, which I tried last night, and it worked. It's from the imagestream-egroup, I'll post it as the next post. last night I did it before going to sleep for 15 min at until 4 AM, then slept, and set my alarm clock to 10 AM, but woke up at 8.45 AM ! , so I slept only 4 3/4 hours, although normally I need 6-8 hours. I did it once 2 days ago, but at that time, it didn't help, although I was in a deeper state while meditating then last night. One question for Brian and anyone else, who does this theta or delta meditation : How do you know if you are in theta / delta. How is it like, do you sleep, or do you have some sort of awareness of you ? Are you sitting or lying ?
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Subject: The Sleep-Need Saver (and Gravity Position) or... Go Buy _Beyond_OK_! =) Hello everyone, I wanted to share one of the procedures Dr. Wenger describes in _Beyond_OK_, the "Sleep-Need Saver." The following description comes in two parts. The first covers just the bare bones of the Sleep-Need Saver and its related procedure, the Gravity Position. You get enough from those two paragraphs to perform the Sleep-Need Saver, and thereby to satisfy 2-4 hours of sleep-need each evening you choose to use it. The second part repeats this information, along with all the theoretical discussion Dr. Wenger includes with these techniques in _Beyond_OK_. These quotations are separated in this manner to make it easier for individuals using this method to focus on the instructions when all they want to do is review the critical information before going to bed. Dr. Wenger also wanted me to point out that the Sleep-Need Saver is one of his few techniques with a significant failure rate. About 2/3 of the people who use it will find it works very well, but the other 1/3 will find ineffective. Hopefully everyone reading this description who finds it even slightly interesting will fall into the 2/3 who can gain terrific benefits from it. I might also add that the technique may in fact diminish in potency if it is used absolutely every evening, and that no one knows exactly how often it can used without losing of its usual strength. I would suggest that people simply use it as often as they need it, and when they noticed it was less helpful, to cut back on it for a while. I hope you all find this useful.
Ralph (Quotations follow...) ---------------------------- Sleep-Need Saver: An interesting new application of the "gravity position." To meditate with whatever process for 10-15 minutes, in the "gravity position," just before going to bed--and then going straight to bed to sleep--appears to satisfy 2-4 hours of sleep-need each evening that this is done. The effect appears most pronounced when accompanied by noise-removal breathing. The Gravity Position: Lie flat on the floor, no pillow, hands and arms loosely by your sides. Comfortably support your feet and lower legs on the seat of a chair, supported as far up as the backs of the knees. --------------------- Sleep-Need Saver: An interesting new application of the "gravity position." To meditate with whatever process for 10-15 minutes, in the "gravity position," just before going to bed--and then going straight to bed to sleep--appears to satisfy 2-4 hours of sleep-need each evening that this is done. The effect appears most pronounced when accompanied by noise-removal breathing. The hypothesis is that the first few hours of sleep are heavily invested in re-aligning the circulatory system after the day's upright verticality--and by satisfying that need for circulatory readjustment and doing so rapidly, meditating in the gravity position satisfies a large portion of sleep need. The above hypothesis cannot, however, be the full explanation since the effect disappears if one does not go to bed immediately afterward. Also, little if any of the effect appears if the meditation is done without the "gravity position" or vice-versa. This phenomena, first observed in June, 1978, is one of many questions raised during Psychegenic investigations which are much in need of further research. The Gravity Position: Lie flat on the floor, no pillow, hands and arms loosely by your sides. Comfortably support your feet and lower legs on the seat of a chair, supported as far up as the backs of the knees. This gravity-aided brain-circulation-enhancing position we prefer to the Yoga headstand, not only because it is so much easier to perform, but because it lets old blood out of the brain while encouraging more new blood in. (This gravity-aided position has also become a favorite _general_ meditating position of a fair number of some practitioners of Psychegenics since its development late in 1975, because it feels so very refreshing.) Other Advantages of the Gravity Position: Although the Savassana Yoga position is supposed to be the ideal position from standpoint of encouraging best and freest flow of circulation of blood and energy, this gravity position, like the Savassana except for the feet-and-legs up, appears to be fully as free. The gravity position is much easier upon pelvic and lower-back structures than are either the seated or the flat-on-floor version of Savassana--excepting pregnant women, kidney disease, and some few specific forms of back disorder. Whenever need be, the gravity position can be sustained comfortably for far longer than any othere meditative position except possibly the full lotus (and does not present the difficulty which most people experience in attempting the lotus). Whereas some do experience loss of circulation in feet or legs while in lotus, this does not occur with the gravity position. On really deep problem-solving probes, for example, occasional Psychegenicists have gone as long as three hours in the gravity position, without any discomfort. (Normal time in meditation should be 15-30 minutes.)
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hope this wasn't too much off topic. you'll need that "Noise-Removal Breathing" it's on winwenger.com / under winsights / nr 29 / page 2
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Funny, I feel like an expert on the subject of sleep reduction now...  Uh, right. First I’ll explain why I think it works, then why delta meditation is overall better, then I’ll attempt to integrate the two. Why does it work? a. Through the visualization of swirling leaves, you are cleansing your body of toxins (which takes up quite a bit of time during sleep. A similar effect can be got from eating alkaline foods or reducing acid or toxic foods.) b. Through the velvet energy breathing, you are energizing your cells with vibrational energy or chi via the 'bubbling well' as Taoists refer to the concentration of nerve fibers at the center of the base of the foot. (you can also do this by listening to ‘noise’ such as the Tomatis Effect—qigong without the gong.) c. Also, that 15 minute process is classified as a form of meditation and relies on much visualization, which involves intense theta, I conclude that you are resetting your sodium potassium levels in that time. The gravity position intensifies the imagery and the oxygen, thus intensifying the theta meditation. I posted this elsewhere, but it is so juicy that... A half hour of sleep in "deep sleep" or properly defined "Delta" range can replace 4 hours of the normal 8 hour sleep that you would otherwise need. Deep sleep in the Low Theta/High Delta range allows the body to truly rest, and heal itself by allowing the brain to reset it's sodium and potassium levels. Your brain cells reset their sodium & potassium ratios when the brain is in Theta state. The sodium & potassium levels are involved in osmosis which is the chemical process that transports chemicals into and out of your brain cells. After an extended period in the Beta state the ratio between potassium and sodium is out of balance. This the main cause of what is known as "mental fatigue". A brief period in Theta (about 5 - 15min) can restore the ratio to normal resulting in mental refreshment. Delta Meditation appears to be one-up on this technique, because not only do you spend about 15 minutes in theta going down, but you also spend 30 to 60 minutes in a deep delta state in which actual cellular healing occurs in addition to the release of human growth hormone, releases of repressed trauma (which accelerated enlightenment), pituitary stimulation, and a host of other mental, physical, and emotional healings. (just last night I went to sleep with dry chapped lips. After listening to a new delta mix I just made for an hour and then falling asleep, I woke up and the dry mangled skin on my lips just fell off when I touched it to reveal fresh, healthy, newly formed skin... pretty freaking amazing, if you ask me!) Plus, (my crackpot theory) delta meditation builds up tremendous 'delta resource' as I refer to it, causing the next stage of sleep to be ultra intense theta (if you go to sleep). This makes sleep that much more intense—you skip the initial phases of delta 1 and 2 and go straight for the goods. And if you forego sleep altogether, you'll have plenty of theta resource, but your body will literally be BEGGING you for a hit of theta, so you start to experience all sorts of hypnogogic activity as well as third eye activation and hallucinations.  Why the low success rate and why doesn’t it always work? I think the major reason why the success rate is so low with technique and that it only works sometimes is because IT IS DOWNRIGHT DIFFICULT TO GET INTO A PURE THETA STATE!!! So, you could never make this a regular thing. You would be forced to use it during emergencies or on days in which you just wanted a couple more hours. It is further very difficult to enter a pure theta while you are experiencing stress or even just generally—it is a very elusive state of mind—unless of course you have some psychedelic drugs lying around or are into binaural beats or some other divergent method like color therapy. Perhaps Dr. Wenger is complicating the procedure too much with the breathing and visualization? Both help to enter theta, to be sure, but to the novice, there is a lot of initial conscious effort involved in bringing those things about before they become automatic. The key is to make this a habit... to try to get this to work five days straight or more. Another thing about sleep is regularity. When I was going without sleep, it was absolutely PARAMOUNT that I stuck to those times with fanatical rigidity, else I’d screw it all up... and that’s exactly what happened in the end. I tried refining the meditation as well as changing the times and then it was all over. Regularity is key. How do you know if you are in theta / delta. How is it like, do you sleep, or do you have some sort of awareness of you ? Are you sitting or lying ? I’m a lyer. Delta is the closest thing to Death I’ve experienced. Every fibre of your body and mind is still. Both the conscious and subconscious mind shutdown. All that is left is the unconscious or body conscious to automate vital functions and affect body/mind healing on a MASSIVE scale. It is incredibly difficult to enter without the aid of biofeedback or binaural beats. I don’t even know how one would go about doing it—other than going to sleep. And now a synthesis? From now on, I WILL always meditate in the gravity position. I’m sold!  I’ll also try out the visualization of dried leaves—hopefully that won’t be too much processing for a delta state to ensue. I’ll also focus more on velvet breathing and breathing in energy through my feets’ ‘bubbling well’. Many many thanks Balazs! You have brought me new (w)insights!
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quote: Deep sleep in the Low Theta/High Delta range...
How does this compare to the mid or low delta range? Lomas 
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How does this compare to the mid or low delta range?Hmmm. Here's a shot at this question: Theta sleep seems to heal mostly our minds, while delta sleep seems to heal mostly our bodies. Or, Theta sleep = mind sleep. Delta sleep = body/mind sleep. Time in theta erradicates mental fatigue, while time in delta erradicates body fatigue as well. Different frequencies of delta do different things. For instance, I know that 1hz stimulates human growth hormone, that 1.5hz releases the hold of trauma, that 2.5hz releases pain-killing endorphins, that 3.4hz is 'deep restful sleep'. Delta meditation is far far deeper sleep. Though some healing occurs during sleep, delta meditation allows the body to repair itself much more. In my own experience, scabs are lesser, the skin is more radiant after an exfoliation, muscle soreness dispereses, actually my muscles seem to be growing much larger lately, just trough meditation! Think of Delta meditation as sleep times FOUR. Not only does one hour of delta reduce sleep need by 4 hours, but it also appears to HEAL the body 4 times as fast. (at least, this is my experience.)... and you don't get that in theta... you just get a mental recharge and maybe some surfacing traumatic memories that bring you greater emotional freedom. Interesting that comas can go as low as 1hz once every month! But .5hz is usually the lowest we tend to go in delta meditation. Most mindmachines do not even go below that setting. It's very difficult to maintain that low especially at the lower carrier frequencies... must become accustomed to it gradually as with Centerpointe cds. How do you distinguish a dead body from a bed? At 1hz another interesting thing happens... you and your surroundings... there is no longer any distinction. Delta Meditation... it's some pretty cool stuff...covers all the bases admirably... And I've tried quite a few meditation methods. Of all, this seems to be the best investment of my time, the most results generating, and the most difficult. It kills so many birds with one stone PLUS it gives you EXTRA time in your day (can't beat that!) It scores a 9.5 out of 10 in my book (10 being reserved for the ultimate floatation tank!)
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quote: ...and the most difficult
so could you explain how you learned to get there ? I read that you use Brainwavegenerator, anything else that you use / find helpfull, a special meditation or visualisation? or are you just lying there with your stereo earphones listening to BWGEN and paraliminal tapes ? and how often did you do this before you got in a delta state ? the "sleep-need saver" which I posted works really good for me, I need less than 6 hours of sleep now and I'm feel much better than before when sleeping 7-8 hours. Another effect : last night I did this noise-removal meditation with imaging to breath through my feets AND hands. I felt that at the end (20 mins) my hand chakras became really warm. Haven't experienced that ever before ( I wasn't doing other meditations before )
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Brian, I finally got around to downloading the bwgen trial version, and I was looking for the dealta meditation, but found no direct mention of it. Is it the "deep relaxation 2"? or do I need the full version? What do you get with the registered/cracked version? Thanks
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