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I just got back from a class that I'm about to fail. I know this, and the teacher knows this. He's a nice guy, and addressed the problem to me in a decent way, and told me that because of my poor attendance (which resulted in me missing two quizzes) and my doing poorly on the midterm meant that I cannot realistically pass his course, "Hindu Philosophy." I explained that I could not drop the course or I'd forfeit a scholarship that requires I take 12 credits, and he reasoned that I should just not come to class, and focus on my other courses and do well on those, instead. It was a valid suggestion, so I told him that the lectures I attended were very good, and that my failing was my own fault, and not in any way his, and that I would re-take the course again in the future.

Then, while walking home, I thought about it, and when I got home I wrote him this e-mail:

<<Hi Professor,

I'm that kid who "is free" on Tuesdays and Thursdays from 4:30 to 5:50 in your Hindu Philosophy class - the one with no quiz grades and a failing midterm grade.

As I was walking to my car, I started thinking about the correct course of action. "I mean, there's no way I can pass Hindu Philosophy, so I might as well concentrate on my other courses."

Then I started thinking about Hinduism itself. Letting go of the fruits of our actions, performing our duty despite what our temporal desires may tell us.

If there is an illusion that I cannot break it is my vice of laziness, and my short-term pleasure of having done nothing delights me in some way. It's the easy path, the path where I can indulge on all my earthly pleasures without having to commit to something else. I liked to tell myself, "I'm apathetic, and because I have no preference for pass or fail, it means I've let go of attachment. Don't worry, you're on a path to righteousness."

But I know it's not.

It's a path where I don't have to challenge myself, where I don't have to think or sacrifice any span of time I somehow think belongs to me. I am indulged in myself.

"So what should I do?" I have to somehow prove to myself that while I can let go of the attachment of goals and the fruits of what I do, I can also let go of the self-indulgence that I live by not doing anything at all.

I have my situation: no matter how well or poor I do on the rest of the semester for this course, I know in the end I will have an "F". I could sit back, not come to class, and focus on the other courses, and keep my eye on the future, trying to correct the "F" in another semester. But then what? Then I'm still focused on this great goal of a better GPA, an easier path, a path where I commit less of myself and get more in return.

Or I could choose to let go of this fruit, and just do my best knowing I'll fail.

"If you try your hardest in your other classes, you'll still be sacrificing yourself, if that's your concern," my logical mind tells me. But then I'm still committing on what I know is easier and will bear fruit.

To me, completing this course with my "F" in the end will prove to me that I can perform my duty as a student without caring about my fruit-grade. To me, giving up would be to throw down Arjuna's sword and not fight. To me, failing this course may be one of the more important things I will ever learn in college.

In short, I will go to your class, do my best, and fail miserably.

Maybe doing this will help me learn Hindu Philosophy.

I'll see you in class.

-Ramon>>

I was wondering if I did the right thing, or if I should just go as planned. What do you guys think?

-Ramon http://razor.ramon.com







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razordu30

I know what you are feeling, i've been there myself some odd 30 years ago. But despite the grade that i received, I continued to go to the class. In the long run, my decision was the correct one.






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It does not matter what school you graduate from, but how successful you are afterwards.
We tend to get so caught up in grade standings that it tends to overshadow the true essence, and that is "knowledge". We as americans must always have something to gauge by. You can have all of the A's in the world, but if you don't have knowledge of the subjects that you have A's in, whats the point!!!!






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Ramon, i like your decision. Think about nishkamakarma & just carry on w/ your plan.

Take care<







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Ramon,
i can tutor u in Hindu Philosophy (i also speak hindi- but its not my first language)...

But seriously,
i think u should for sure send that letter to ur proffessor - i am sure he will be impressed. Not just because of your writing style and ur incredible ways with words, but because of its substance. There is an element of truth in it, and it sounds sincere.
That probably doesnt help u much, but u should still go to the class. Its great that you are questioning the core of this problem. Just go to the class, and see what happens. You might even pass - who knows. U have PRing! lol..........

You are obviously very bright, but do u ever find that u may in fact be afraid of "success"?...not knowing how to deal with it?

I dont know.............stay in the class and c what happens. Even if u wont do as well as u wanted, u might learn something, but maybe u already have...........
i dont know what else to say.........
that probably made no sense!







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Good luck!!!







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LET US FALL IN BATTLE
NOT UPON THE RUN

Send the letter if you didn't already and go to class. Where would Liono be if he didn't at least try to outrun Cheetara in the ThunderCat trials?






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Andy, there's nothing like Thundercat wisdom to brighten one's day =).

Anyway, below is my professor's reply (he's good), as well as my own:

<<Ramon:

Paradoxically, your letter accepting failure but resolving to work, shows
that you have understood one of the most important things the Gita was
trying to tell you. However, I think you need to consider a couple of
other points. Your main problem isn't with this course, it is with your
basic tendency to indulge yourself. The trick is to get yourself to do
what your "duty" directs you to do. If you are a warrior, you go to
battle. If you are a teacher you get ready for class. If you are a
student, you read and study. But how do you do this? That's where Karma
Yoga comes in. In the words of the Nike commercial--YOU JUST DO IT. You
have control over your body. Do this. Stand up! I mean it Ramon. You
are sitting in a chair, right? Just stand up. . . . There, see. You
did it. And it is equally easy to sit down and open your book. They are
just bodily movements. Distractions arise, but we you have to learn to
ignore them, or deal with them and get back to what we were doing. If your
habits are strong, this isn't easy. But it can be done--it just takes a
little self-consciousness and practice, and a good memory.

But now looking at your total situation, it isn't clear to me that your
best move AS A STUDENT is to spend that time in an effort that can't
succeed. And this is because you have to consider your total
situation. Think of the warrior analogy. If you are running a war and
have lost a city, you don't send more troops to that city--but figure out
how to use those troops elsewhere. Let us suppose that you have learned
how to stand up when you want to--that you are now determined to bear down
for the rest of the semester. Then I have to ask, what is the situation
with your other courses? Maybe you should devote your efforts to doing as
well in them as possible. And as for Hinduism, it is still there and you
can take it again (if it is offered) and even wipe out the E, right? But
you would not be taking it to wipe out the E, you would be taking it
because you want to learn about it. And if and when you do that, you can
start properly, and not fall behind.

When I finally learned to JUST DO IT, I was helped by finally understanding
how good it feels to be ready, and how bad it feels to be unprepared,
behind, baffled, ignorant, dazed and confused.

I'm not sure what your best course is--and you are welcome to come to the
class. But since you will have missed both days I talked about ontology, I
think it would be self-mutilation to come in Tuesday and try to take the
quiz.

What do you think?

rtg>>

My reply:

<<Professor,

Analogies go a long way with me, and the "stand up" "sit down" exercise was
quite helpful, as well as the "Just Do It" one, which I think I remember you
discussed in class, and didn't fully comprehend until now.

The thing with duty that troubles me is that you can get different courses
of action for different duties. For example, if your duty is to never harm
a living thing, then it is such. But if your duty is to be a soldier, it
differs. While a priest may never go into a battle and suffer these
conflicting duties, it's quite feasible for someone like a nuclear scientist
to have them, if he has a duty to do his job of creating better killing
devices, but feels it's immoral, yet needs the money to perform his duty as
a person who supports his family.

You're right about the duty of a student, which is to best perform this
duty, it may be better to look at the total picture instead of just one
class, and that my duty as a student may be better performed by focusing my
efforts on the other classes. It gets a little shady if one tries to define
the exact duty of a student, though, and this gives me a little pause. For
example, if my duty as a student is to get the highest total grade, then
focusing my efforts on my other classes is a better plan. But if my duty as
a student is something like "to learn as much as possible", then I should go
to all my classes (one could counter this by pointing out I could just take
this class again and learn it later, but then you could also say that
learning the second half twice is better than learning it once).

A friend actually told me (I called 932-INFO to verify, and it did) that if
I somehow managed to get a "D" in the course, it would serve against me,
because if you retake a course you had an "F" in, the "F" shows in the
transcript, but it's GPA is replaced with the new one, and the cum GPA
averages out again. With a "D", the "D" is replaced by the grade on the
transcript, but both numbers average in. Why this is, I don't know.

It, however, makes the case to focus on the other classes stronger,
especially if my duty as a student is defined under the total GPA one. It
also makes a point that for the duty of "to learn as much as possible" that
perhaps a better course might be to just attend lectures and not do the
work.

But again, this duty problem for me raises its ugly head. To be honest, the
GPA definition doesn't really appeal to me, and while I prefer the
definition of a student's duty being "to learn", going to class and not
taking the quizzes and the final is pretty discouraging.

I'm thinking that maybe the best course of action to satisfy as much as
possible (another possible definition of duty) might be to finish the course
like I would any other, and if it noticeably begins to intefere with my
other courses, slacken off on it, or just quit altogether.

This whole message, of course, crumbles completely if I misunderstood duty
altogether. Does it hold water?

-Ramon

PS - I didn't realize the quiz was so soon, and yes, missing both lectures
would make taking it almost futile. I'll think more about the quiz and
final aspects of this course and figure out a plan soon.>>

Opinions?

-Ramon http://razor.ramon.com







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Ramon,
I can understand why both grades average in since you took the course twice. To get an A after getting an F says something. My first experience w/ French happened to be w/ kids who had flunked French for 3 yrs. They knew so much more than me. I flunked it & they all passed!

Dump the class. Duty is the translation for Dharma & Dharma is a far-reaching concept that is watered down to just "duty." The highest form of dharma is that your thoughts, speech & actions all be the same. So many of us think one thing, then we do something else & say something totally different.

You have all kinds of dharmas: to your self, your family, your country, your school, your fellow humans, your environment. Or, more simply put: transpersonal, intrapersonal, interpersonal, subpersonal dharma.

Relax & just let it go for now...imho...






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Razor,
I believe that procrastination is preventing u from getting the grade u desire, but i was wondering how PR cant help you with this as you can obtain info fast, and the fact that u are a regular PR-er!!!
-thanks







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