I wanted to buy the SubDyn course but they have only a 75% refund guarantee. Their course is over $400 and if you don't like it, you only get back $300. That's basically the only reason I didn't get it. I simply can't have faith in a product when the actual creators don't either, but that's just me. I'm sure it's a fine course, at least better than every other speedreading course out there.
Your concern has been covered before so I searched the forum and grabbed a few past posts about it. Hopefully it will help you.
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From:SDstudent (SD stands for SubDyn, I guess)
Before I start, let me tell you my status. I have both Photoreading course and the SubDyn Course. I have photoread or mentally photographed (or what ever you want to call it) the dictionary(English and Spanish), several science texts, financial success material, etc. several times!!! I tried the dictionary drill in the beginning getting 7/15 direct hits. Maybe it is working??? I have PR material novels and not know what is the plot, characters, etc. I preview and activated the material getting trigger words, but no, I repeat, NO sense of gelling. Sure, I pick up some character names and other information, but I did not have a sense that I knew what the story was about. I could do that without PRing, I guess. I have a Cell Molecular Biology class this semester and I previewed and PR the material 15 times. I activated with skittering, dipping and class lecture. I also studied the material the old fashion way by taking notes which is an activation tool in itself, I suppose. I did go with my hunches and my knowledge of the subject. Let's say that I did not ace the exam by any means. I didn't even have a B. But I will keep trying to PR the material and activate it. If people on this forum are getting the gelling effect, then it must be a matter of times before I get it. Right? Anyway, here is what SUBDYN tells you to do. I am not responsible for any misinterpretation. I don't want SYNDYN.com to dedicate a page to dissing me, too. ; )
They are big on conditioning your subconscious mind to believe in the system. Believe that you are photographing the material and that you are able to recall it 100%. You are suppose to do two relaxation sessions every day to condition your mind. Eye drills and Einstein's distraction index are to be performed daily. No previewing of material. Their photoreading session is very similar if not the same. They said to mentally photography the material upside down to prevent any influence of the conscious mind. You also have a cadence and affirmations that you say while you are mentally photography the material. they state that your mind can PR at more than 52,000 words/min. You get the idea. Afterwards, they state that you can activate the material immediately if you like.
The manual activations methods are:
1)Speedreading - Pick out trigger words as you pace yourself 10 seconds per page from top to bottom. If you are not comfortable with that you can take up to 40 secs. This is the main activation technique. They state that as you do this, you will get a sense that you have read this material before. Sounds like skittering to me.
2)Answer questions like in an exam. That didn't work for me this time.
3)Take a verbal exam by a friend
4)Look at the front cover of the book as this may trigger information into your conscious mind.
5)Read the first page and start writing about the book.
6)Emotions - feelings may stir up answers
7)Vivid mind pictures or Image streaming.
That's about it. I would really like to get this to work for me, so if anyone can help me please feel free.
By the way, do you remember Napster. Well, there is a new one called Kazaa.com. I have found Subliminal Dynamics on there along with other known systems for free. Get my drift. I guess if any of the systems work for you, you can send them the money after you achieve the results. Isn't that how every system should be.
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Here is a reply from a person who tried subliminal dynamics and photoreading.
SDStudent
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To All,
I am currently going through the Richard Welch Subliminal Dynamics and Brain
Management study course. It cost $417.00 so I split the cost with a friend.
I find it better than Photoreading and I can see where Paul Scheele got a
lot of his techniques from. On day 4 of the course they have you Mentally
Photograph (their term) upside down and backwards the book The Pearl by John
Steinbeck 3 times in a row. I have never "read" the book. After
photographing the book you then immediately, no 24 hour delay, take a
comprehension test. There are 3 sections on this test: True/False, Multiple
Choice, and Fill-In the Blank. Statistically speaking you will get 40%
correct on T/F, 20% correct on MC, and 0% correct on Fill-In if you have
never read the book before. These numbers come from the National Testing
Institute. There are 33 T/F, 10 MC, and 7 Fill-In the Blank. My score on
this test was 60%. I got a total of 30 questions correct out of a possible
50. Here is a breakdown of my individual scores: out 33 T/F I got 20
correct (60%), out of 10 for the MC I got 5 correct(50%), out of 7 for the
Fill-In I got 5 correct(72%). In all 3 areas I scored higher than the
average. Of the ones I did get wrong half of those were due not to a wrong
answer but to my conscious mind discounting what my subconscious told me to
write down. My actual score if I had listened to my subconscious would be
80% or higher. After reading the Photoreading Whole Mind System book and
going through only day 4 of the course so far (3 days left) I find it
superior to Photoreading. You are suppose to retake the test after you do
some activation techniques. I expect after this my comprehension will be
above 90%.
The Welch system is very simple. There are exercises you must do on a
day-to-day basis. After 30 days the system is locked in. It also gives the
Einstein Distraction Index drill and I am curious as to what my focus and
concetration time limit are. Einstein's was 42 minutes at a time.
Using the Welch method Image Streaming becomes an activation method. So not
only do you get an increase of IQ by 10 points for every 11 hours of Image
Streaming but you get fantastic recall and comprehension. Also one of the
exercises they have you do is a peripheral eye exercise drill. This
increases it to 220 degrees. You are awareness becomes phenomenal of things
going on around you.
After you go through day 4 the recommend you photograph and activate about
10 books a day including a daily dictionary drill. The recommend using
Positive Motivational Books. They also give techniques for reprogramming
the subconscious, entering the Alpha State, using beta, alpha, theta, and
delta together, and a manifestation technique that is supposed to manifest
your wants in 48 hours. I have 24 hours left. It takes a couple of times
to get it right though. But once you learn it alleges that your wants you
program for will manifest themselves. I'll wait and see on that.
If anyone else has taken the course please let me know.
Chris Thomas
Now to the main point of this. Has anyone else out there taken the Richard
Welch Subliminal Dynamics Course? I have completed the course and I am
beginning my 30 days of wiring it in. If anyone else has taken it what were
the results of it? The mixing of the relaxation technique with Image
Streaming is producing some unusual results. First you photograph books on
the subject you wish to know and then you Image Stream to bring the
knowledge of the subject to conscious awareness. After a while your Image
Sream gets ahead of your words. The images begin to hit you faster and
stronger than normal. My Image Stream has primarily become a problem
solving tool. I am keeping records of this for the entire 30-day period and
will post them when I am done. The areas that I will be keeping records in
are the following: Increased Awareness, Difference in Perception, Increased
& Detailed Peripheral Vision, Intuition (Premonitions), More Confidence,
Higher Intensity of Colors, More Detailed Visual Clarity, Higher Energy
Levels, Decreased Stress Levels, Better Organization, Sleep Cycles, Image
Streaming Records, Alpha Level Programming Results, Problem Solving
Abilities, Language Acquisition and Ability, and Comprehension of New
Science Material. My goal for the next 3 months is to learn Physics,
Electrical Engineering, and Mathematics to the 400+ level (I am now at the
200 and 300 levels), learn Hebrew, Koine Greek, Spanish, Swedish, Chinese,
Japanese, Russian, German, and Quechua (Incan Language), Wing Tsun,
ZuiJuiQuan, Uechi Ryu, and Kempo.
They claim others have been able to
master such a variety of subjects in a similar period of time. We will see.
To give everyone an idea of
what the Richard Welch course does can best be describe by calling it the
wetware version of the loader program in the movie The Matrix.
Chris
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Hi Andy,
Thanks for your note. Here is what I tell people about the comparison
between PhotoReading and Subliminal Dynamics.
At one time I promoted Richard Welch and the Subliminal Dynamics
program
to several classes full of my clients. My hat is tipped to him in my
PhotoReading book for suggesting the concept of subliminal perception
as
a tool for reading. In truth, he now uses my name without permission in
an attempt to bring credibility to a system of his that I do not feel
delivers the promised result.
I cannot endorse nor recommend in any way that you invest in the
Subliminal Dynamics home study course.
My work diverges from his in three major ways.
1) The key is not subliminal perception. The key is the brain's
capacity
for preconscious processing. I've spent my years developing a protocol
to capture this capacity and put it reliably in the hands of our
clients. (Reference the work of N.F. Dixon from England, and P. Lewicki
at Tulsa University, Oklahoma).
2) Neuro-Linguistic Programming is the basis for our techniques of
putting folks in contact with the resources of the nonconscious data
storage systems of the brain for activation and recall.
3) Accelerative, brain-based teaching and learning are essential in the
design and delivery of our programs, including the design of the book.
If you are interested in a home study course, the PhotoReading Personal
Learning Course is an excellent addition and support to the live
PhotoReading course. If you attended a course from a Learning
Strategies
Corporation certified PhotoReading instructor, you will be eligible for
a discount on the purchase of the home study
course.
Also the new 3rd edition of the PhotoReading book contains a number of
additions to
the Activation chapter that you might find valuable.
Andy, your friend should feel free to call us here and ask any
questions
he wants. We guarantee his satisfaction with our course.
-- Sincerely,
Paul R. Scheele
Chairman
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Regarding Richard Welch. He is definitely one of the innovators of "mentally photographing" printed materials, the idea has been around for over a century. But, he is absolutely not the inventor of it nor is he the inventor of PhotoReading. I mention this because we have learned he has promoted his seminar as the "PhotoReading" seminar in Australia.
The input process of the two systems where you "mentally photograph" the printed page are very similar.
The differences lie in 1) methods of teaching people to use and integrate the system, and 2) "Activation" techniques. These activate information into the conscious mind so that you can more readily use the information.
Their course relies on spontaneous activation--"Keep at it and eventually it will happen." Unfortunately, that is not practical in today's information-based world.
PhotoReading goes further by giving you tools to access and utilize the information, so you can get the comprehension you need in the time you have to work with.
PhotoReading is a practical, systematic way to increasing your reading speed, comprehension, retention significantly. There is a satisfaction guarantee and free coaching support for assistance along the way as you develop your skill.
Every aspect of PhotoReading is detailed in our easy-to-read book "The PhotoReading
Whole Mind System." There are no "secrets."
Most people find PhotoReading more thorough and more practical.
[This message has been edited by Dana Hanson (edited July 17, 2001).]
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"Mentally Photographing" a page is an idea that's owned by no one and as far as I've heard, that step is the only similarity there is in the two courses.
The difference in the courses is the way the information is retrieved. I've seen an outline of what's in the SubDyn course but that's about it. It's on this forum if you want to look for it. In both courses the option of Rapid Reading is the final step, if that's necessary.
With PR you have the option of spending very little to investigate it ($17 for the book) but with SubDyn you have to drop $400+ for the course (no book) and if you don't like it they charge a 25% "restocking" fee so you're out $100 if you do return it. That's where they lost me.
I've HEARD that SubDyn is big on "spontaneous activation" and having had that happen to me I know it can work. The chapter in the PR book on "Direct Learning" seems to be a "directed" spontaneous activation technique and to me it sounds alot better than reading and hoping for a miracle.
The PR book has a bibliography where you can read exactly where the pieces of the PR course came from. One book interested me, "Subliminal Perception" by Norman Dixon, 1971. It seems as if Paul found a raw idea, read a truck load of books and put together something that would actually work.
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Everyone already takes in everything subliminally so what SUbdyn is basically saying is they're taking credit for something you are already doing. They're also saying that PR is just speedreading plus their Mental Photographing step. But their course is just Mental Photographing plus Image streaming- now, what's going to actually work faster, going thru the text again or trying to meditate the info out of your head? I'm not knocking Image Streaming but it's very hard to get definates out of it. Every image stream I've ever done has been loaded with metaphors and things it takes time to understand. They're very worthwhile if I want to explore my own mind but not for a book.
I've been searching for months to find ONE person that can tell me about the Subdyn course that has something good to say and I can't find anyone. Probably why they don't have a forum.
You know how on this forum if you were to read every post you'd basically have most of the course previewed before you bought it. We're screwed if we want to know a little bit about SubDyn before we buy it. There's simply no way to know anything about it. You can't find anyone willing to talk about it and if they do, they don't like it so it's all negative (not saying that's bad for us but...).
SubDyn is publicly (sp?) showing their level of jealousy, immaturity and ignorance on that web site. They're proud to be crying.
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PhotoReading is less expensive, more general, easier to learn, and has a higher customer satisfaction rate, I believe.
There are going to be a number of similar approaches to accelerated learning techniques simply because our brains probably work basically the same - and one thing that one individual stumbles upon is likely to be stumbled upon by another individual. If you look closely at the kata and forms from different martial arts styles, you'll end up seeing a lot of similarities - simply because there are only so many effective ways that the body can move. Maybe there is something analogous in accelerated learning?
The topic of Subliminal Dynamics and PhotoReading has come up numerous times in this discussion board, as well as on various email lists. My understanding, if I recall correctly, is that those who have tried both systems found PhotoReading to be better overall.
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Thanks, Pete, for moving this to the Photo Reading Forum, for where it was intended. I'll post my topics with more care in the future.
Yes, I did the search, and it seems your course is worth going for. I see no money back guarantee at subdyn.com, they have no DF, and one of the participants on this DF basically said that when compared to the subdyn.com course, yours won hands down. Hmm. That's impressive. Price matters also, of course...
One thing though. I'm still not completely convinced I'll be able to learn this skill. It seems most people on this DF have not mastered it yet. Much tells me it can be done though, I just have to get used to the idea, I guess... At first this stuff sounded kinda hokus pokus, if you know what I mean...
I'd love to see more testimonials on this DF too, although I have to say alot of you guys seem very pleased with this course.
Pete, please give me a loose estimate here: how long will it take the average Joe to MASTER the system if he spends, say, on avarage an hour a day, perhaps more in the beginning, working on this stuff? How many percent master it to the degree that they have, say, a 85% retention/comprehension rate? Hey, I know these questions are a bit silly, people are different and as with most things individual results may vary... and all that... but I sort of get the feeling that this stuff is pretty hard to learn, and it's not for everyone.
I don't want to sound too sceptical here. I REALLY want to master the art of Photo Reading, if it works for me, then it will really be a terrific asset! I'll probably order the course in the not too distant future. It would be a shame to not give the thing a try! Just give me some assurance here, so that when I do receive the course I'll make a real effort to master it, and not just give up and say, 'hey, it might work for Pete Bisonnette and the Wizard of Oz, but I'm just me, and...'
Well, I think you get the general idea.
Oh, Pete, kudos to you for working on a Sunday morning. It shows me you're not just running on auto-pilot, but truly live for what you do. I'm impressed.
