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Does anyone know what, "deja vu," is? I feel it all the time. Is there some kind of already proven explanation for it? (Sorry if this is kind of off topic to PR, but I know of NO WHERE else to go ask.)
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1 a : the illusion of remembering scenes and events when experienced for the first time b : a feeling that one has seen or heard something before 2 : something overly or unpleasantly familiar This is one of those things where you have to trust your gut. I say its just your subconsious (ick) noticing events from your surrounding and creating a list of possible outcomes based on that. When something on that list happens you experiance Deja Vu (just a personal idea)
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Someone actually told me the real deja vu feeling (read: not the general one you get from PRing, but the feeling that what you're currently experiencing has definately happened before, detail by detail) is a "memory allocation" screwup. Basically, he told me that he read that when you experience deja vu, instead of storing what's happening in your short term memory, your brain "goofs up" and stores it in your long term memory. This makes you feel that you're "remembering" what's currently happening as having happened a long time ago. You'll notice if you try to remember when it happened, you can never place it. "It just did." Deja vu is also a glitch in the Matrix, or so I've been told  -Ramon http://razor.ramon.com
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Originally posted by razordu30:
Basically, he told me that he read that when you experience deja vu, instead of storing what's happening in your short term memory, your brain "goofs up" and stores it in your long term memory. This makes you feel that you're "remembering" what's currently happening as having happened a long time ago. You'll notice if you try to remember when it happened, you can never place it. "It just did."-Ramon http://razor.ramon.com
Yeah, but why would your brain screw up at just ANY time? And. . .how can your brain just have an, "error," like a computer? Humans aren't perfect, but I go by a philosophy that creates the mind as the most powerful flawless tool to use in existence. Could this REALLY not be true? Oh, and as an edit: I've experienced deja vu, and yes I've been able to place it SEVERAL times. (Everything I felt, I remembered from my DREAMS.) [This message has been edited by youngprer (edited March 04, 2002).]
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It's just what I've been told. I told my friend I placed them in my dream once, and he said, "When did you have the dream you're referring to?" and I had no idea, so he won that one. Here is some info on deja vu, as well as déjà vecu (already experienced), déjà senti (already felt) and déjà visité (already visited).
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro98/202s98-paper2/Johnson2.html Hope it helps...you'll see the theory I stated there, as well as others, which include wish fulfillment (I hate wish fulfillment theories). -Ramon http://razor.ramon.com
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Just read it. . .hrm. . . .
Thing about it though, was that I immediately remembered dreaming about it the NIGHT BEFORE. The main thing is, and this would probably make it make sense is that I didn't remember that I had dreamed it, until after I saw it.
Here's another thing that may defend that, however. Your concious mind, and this is even mentioned all over the board, a lot of old posts, then PR book, etc. cannot remember all of your vivid dreams. You enter REM sleep approx. 90 minutes into a night of sleep. This means that later on you may be able to somehow remember bits and pieces of the dream, if it's in your mind the entire time. Hey, it's happened to me before. . . And I'm not saying wish fulfillment is what I'm looking for. But. . .I read that thing and it states SEVERAL theories. Quite frankly, in the end, it says,"We really don't know what the hell this is." They say perhaps it's within us. It's like that theory presented in Mind Over Matter by Loyd Auerbach about, "What is the mind?" "How do you study the mind?" Good question. What are we going to do? Take some sort of technological probe and send it through the information. YEAH. Uh huh.
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Youngprer, Did you say you were in high school? If so, I'm impressed: the things you bring up are up to par with some college epistemology courses I've taken =) If you haven't, read Descartes and then read as much as you can on epistemology, which is the theory of knowledge...it sounds like your cup of tea. The problem with the philosophy that the mind is a flawless tool is that mind is easily tricked. Every sense that the mind uses is susceptible to duplicity. Optical illusions, "fake" surround sound using stereo speakers, phantom limbs, the relative sense of temperature, all these things fool the mind, both conscious and subconscious. The tricky thing is, even if you assume the mind is infallible, it doesn't mean that the "memory allocation error theory" attributed to deja vu is wrong. It's possible that the mind is infallible, and that deja vu, which we think is an error, is actually the mind's way of something something. It doesn't matter what that something is, the point is that deja vu's (assuming it's the short/long term memory thing) may serve a practical purpose beyond the scope of our understanding. Hope to hear from you again soon =) -Ramon http://razor.ramon.com
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I believe Youngprer said they were 13
I said I was in High School in one of the topics that is on the main board page today.
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Yes, I am 13. 8th grade. Ever since learning PhotoReading, I've actually been lead to this whole new interest in the paranormal, and unexplainable. That's the sentance where Godchild may come on here and start up, but. . .Hehehehe. Nevermind. It's just that this past year of my life has been unlike any other, and I've learned more than I ever did in any other year. My entire mode of thinking was changed into something I would never imagine. I used to be a huge fan of heavy metal, hang out with a lot of the 'outcasts,' and the 'freaks,' of my school. Never knew what 'negative' really was until I realized it was pretty much ME. Anyway, I've created and replied to topics that immediately sparked my interest. Earlier I made a short post about LSC possibly doing a forum for advanced/experienced PhotoReaders, but that never even began to happen. It's topics like these, and like the others within the past few months that have lead to believe that it would be a very good use of time. If a beginner comes here and says all this stuff about deja vu, telekenisis, dream control, spontaneous activation, they're not going to know where to start! Anyways, it's just that my friend Kyle has been feeling deja vu a lot lately, and has been having several dreams that concern him, as well as fascinate him. I recently taught steps 1-4 of the system to him. The way I even got to this board, and am even able to help people was by getting heavy coaching from Dana for a little while. Man. . .she REALLY helped. She's still helpin' even experienced PRers.
Agh. . .gettin' off-topic. Kyle and I have even considered the possibility of feeling deja vu at the same time.
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That's cool, dude... ...but I think Dana's a guy. If you guys are into dream stuff, I suggest Dream Play (the paraliminal). I've been having lots of fun with it in the past week. -Ramon http://razor.ramon.com
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