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Originally posted by razordu30:
This thread will haunt me until the day I die. Maybe it IS satanic.

Guys, with the quarrel between Giancarlo and I in close second, this is by far the thread I hate the most. I just hate it. Someone said his speedreading program is satanic, and we're actually debating this question. It makes me cry. It really does.

Anyway, I really hate discussing religion (especially online) because it turns into a flame war. So in reply to the last post I will take a semi-neutral stance.

Here is a link that contains what many secular people believe are many bible inconsistencies: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

Of course, I said a neutral standpoint, so here's a link to a guy who has attempted to rebuke many of the charges. He outright rebukes a lot of them, actually, pretty darn well. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7273/biblicalcontradictions.html

I leave that up for debate on a theological discussion board. I, however, would like to let this "satanic speedreading program" thread die.

Satan begone!
=)
-Ramon http://razor.ramon.com

Here is an e-mail that I sent to a friend. It contains much better sites which discuss so called Bible contradictions.

Hi,
How are you? I pray that all is well.
During your internet browsing you will probably come across sites that claim that the Bible is full of contradictions. Here are a few Christian sites that discuss/debate such issues. They are good sites to bookmark.

1. http://www.datarat.net/DR/S-M-Contra.html
2. http://www.answeringtheatheist.faithweb.com/
3. http://www.gospelcom.net/apologeticsindex/b08.html
4. http://www.cdu.jesusanswers.com/custom.html
5. http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/KingDavid10/Contradictions/Home.html
6. http://thebereans.net/contra-reckon.shtml

Please remember that we as Christians are not called to know everything. There will be questions that we cannot answer. But it is good to know a few things about some of the objections that we will face.
Some suggest that we should ignore such objections. They state that the Bible still has power even if the person that you are witnessing to does not believe in it. Ray Comfort calls this bypassing the intellect. But this is up to you to decide.
What gives sceptics problems with the Bible are not these so called contradictions. The Bible's proclaimation of their state of spiritual death and of their sin is what they despise. Therefore every apologetic "debate" should be brought back to the person of Jesus and to the gospel.

A few examples of common objections:

Do hares chew the cud? (A major muslim argument against the Bible.) http://www.bible-way.net/publications/hares.htm http://www.comereason.org/bibl_cntr/con055.asp

Lev 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

"Lockley goes on to explain that rabbits chew their cuds differently than cows, goats or sheep, which regurgitate their food and rechew it. The rabbit, instead, eats its own excrement (faecal pellets), and thus redigests them. Usually this occurs during the daytime underground as the rabbit is resting."


Insects do not have four legs. ( An argument used by evolutionists.) http://www.inerrancy.org/lev.htm (Focuses on Leviticus.)

Lev 11:20 All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.
21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;

Q: In Lev 11:20-21, is it wrong to say there are four-footed insects (an atheist asked this)?
A: The Hebrew idiom, "on fours" means it does not walk upright. Thus a dog with a leg cut off still goes "on fours." The Hebrews apparently did not have the word parallel. Come to think of it, even in English or Chinese, how would you briefly explain to someone how four-, six-, and many-legged animals all walk in common without using the word parallel?
Even if you do not accept this answer and want to be hyper-literal about this, arithmetic says that any insect that has six legs has four legs, since six is greater than four. Thus any animal that walks on six legs is walking on at least four legs.
http://thebereans.net/contra-r24.shtml

How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem? (a) Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8). (b) Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9). How long did he rule over Jerusalem? (a) Three months (2 Kings 24:8). (b) Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9).

Answer. Those who read and understand how the kings of Judah and the kings of Israel deal with their royal family affairs (like in the line of successions) are aware that joint reigns are common to ensure seamless transitions especially when the king has more than one wife. Thus Jehoiachin was only eight years of age when he was made regent under the supervision of his mother (2 Kings 24:12; Jeremiah 13:11) for his father was already taken captive in Babylon. Then It was only at the 18th year when he reigned alone. As for how long the Jehoiachin reigned both passage are true: Jehoiachin reigned for three months and ten days (or as 2 Kings 24:8 put it in round figure: three months).

When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture? (a) One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4). (b) Seven thousand (1 Chronicles 18:4).

"2 Samuel therefore speaks of 700 companies, 10 horsemen per company while 2 Chronicles speaks of the actual number of the horsemen. This is a usual occurrence in the Old Testament when dealing with numbers. "

Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion? (a) On the cross (Mark 15:23). (b) In Pilate’s court (John 19:14).

Answer. Mark and John used different methods of recording time. Mark (along with Matthew and Luke) used the Hebrew System while John used the Roman System. This is only natural since John wrote the gospel around AD90 in the Ephesus, the capital of the Roman Province of Asia. The Hebrew reckoning divides the daytime into four groups of three hours (a day starts at the evening, cf. Genesis 1:5). The same division used during night. So when it says third hour, it means ¼ of the day has passed, i.e., 3 hours have passed since sunrise. While the Roman system, starts and ends at midnight just like our modern reckoning system (1/24). Now, to answer the question, where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion? He was, using the Roman reckoning of time, at Gabbatha (John 19:13). But using the Hebrew method of reckoning time, he was at the crucifixion. (Mark 15:25)

KJV Defense:
1. http://www.pa-wordoffaith.org/apol.html

Yours In Christ,
Mark