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I don't know about you, but this makes more sense to me than a 30 year old woman spontaneously *poof*-ing out of nothing from Adam's rib.

Makes more sense to YOU, but again you remove the active element from the picture. Eve didn't poof, she had assistance. Evolutionists believe in poofs: poof I'm a universe from nothingness. Poof, I'm a planet that is the perfect distance from the sun, at the perfect angle, rotating at the perfect speed, while at the perfect distance from the sun. Poof, from non-life I now have life generating material. Poof, from that material I generate a living biological computer far more complex than anything humans can accomplish...

Evolutionary scientists are just trying to make sense of their world. They are theorizing, true, but these theories are based on facts such as fossil evidence, uncanny similarities between disparate animals, environment and its relation to physical structure, and that wonderful stuff of logic that connects the facts to a 'reasonable' theory.

So it is a theory. But it makes more sense than any other theory put forth. For that matter, what is the evidence behind the Judeo-Christian Creation myth?

OK, but that's the most cloying thing. It is theory passed off as fact. Whether you want to admit it or not, both sides take a leap of faith. You can fall back on scientific theory but it's still theory and to accept it at face value, you are taking a leap of faith. You are taking a leap of faith that the observed information was interpreted correctly and that the underlying observations were accurate. Your bias allows you to accept that and since it has a psuedo scientific underpinning, you console yourself that no faith is required. Wrong.

Your stance is that, "there is element of "intelligent work" that is missing and that something is the work of the Christian God." But how do you know? What are the facts? (Besides that 4000 year old book you keep referring to.) What observable "thing" proves the work of God?

The complexity of the world. The relationships between certain animals and certain plants. The tender balance between RNA/DNA that would make one forming first without the other impossible. The fact that we are all encoded in that incredible little strand. You wouldn't accept that sand evolved into microchip, which then evolved its own programming that allows it to generate more chips. As far as the book goes, for centuries, historians laughed at the inaccuracies in that book (kings they didn't think existed, cities they didn't think existed). And yet, so far, each time evidence has been unearthed that supports the Bible version of history. Not incontrovertible evidence, but it is an impressive record. Again, there is the return of Israel to its land as prophesied...

"The eye is complex, therefore God made it," just doesn't cut it, I'm afraid. For example, how do you know it was your God and not someone else's? What makes a complex eye a complex christian eye?

I guess what I am asking is... What distinguishes your creation myth from the creation myth of any other religion?

Please answer this last question as specifically as possible.

First off, let all creation "myths" have equal standing with evolution. Let the people who believe the earth was seeded by aliens have equal standing with evolution. All are theories. Yours shouldn't get preeminent standing because it is cloaked in the trappings of science.

As far as the Christian vs. Other gods argument, that's an entirely different argument than creation vs. evolution. I'm not sure we want to get into that here...At some point, LS is going to ask us all to just shut the heck up.

[This message has been edited by slithy toves (edited March 21, 2002).]