Thoughtful response. I understand.
Thanks Lord of Earth.
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Originally posted by LordOfEarth:
You see, we both ran our patterns. I couldn't help but run the "poor me" one and you ran the "hey, it works" one. It's just like clockwork.I've bought (at one time or another) every NLP product sold by Nightingale/Conant in addition to Tony and Jerry Stocking so if that isn't "all there is" then I've been royally scammed or they keep changing and adding stuff to keep the sales of NLP stuff going.
I've been doing NLP since 1993 and honestly if Paul's sales pitch about PR didn't include the "NLP" thing, I would have looked past it. I was interested in seeing how it could be used in reading.
Tony basically combined NLP with public speaking the way Jim Rohn did it. My problem with Tony is just that his seminars are EXACTLY like his books, no more but alot less. After going I could have kicked myself because it's basically a warm bath that wears off. Not a "bad" experience but very eye opening. There's more in "Unlimited Power" than his seminars so that's good news for anyone that hasn't been to one of them because now they don't have to go.
If you need to force yourself to do something (like sales or martial arts- Tony uses those examples) then isn't that a clue that you really should do something else? Something that you don't have to drive yourself to do? I know people that are striving to become musicians and they don't even look as if they like it anymore but they won't give it up and find something they REALLY like. According to Tony and every other self help guru- I'm an idiot that will never succeed but to myself, I've figured it out.
I think most people that get into NLP use it accidentally to separate themselves from everyone else and they try to 'use' it on everyone else instead of themselves. And when we do use it on ourselves we're trying to make a change- lose weight, work more, be nicer, quit smoking or whatever. As I said, I pretty much filed NLP into the "really coold but don't do much" drawer of my mind until someone showed me how to use it to tear your personality (your identity) apart until there's nothing there. As you can see by the fact that I haven't transcended the need to argue on the internet- it's an ongoing process. Of course, some people still say that you can walk across coals and it's done for you, it isn't.
NLP is like anything else. As a whole, it's a huge science. You can't just cover it in a weekend or even a month. But it's also like a martial art. There are moves you learn that you would never do in reality because there are better choices you can make. The situation calls for what's appropriate to use and in NLP what's most appropriate most of the time are just a few things that actually do something. It's certainly nothing to get identified with. God, could you imagine what PR would be like if Paul made NLP the focus of the course? It would suck because we'd all be doing stuff for the sake of following a certain theory spouted by someone long ago instead of doing what worked to get a result. But he used it the way it worked and used ONLY what worked and that's combined with another purpose. I thought it was cool what Paul did with NLP and his PR course. I think that he should have gone furthure with the NLP and PR instead of doing Genius Code the way he did but oh well, we could always use NLP as we image stream.
Also, I didn't mean to offend you but it kinda goes with the territory of saying something mean about NLP. I used it to sell Life Insurance and it didn't work. If I were to use it to sell cookies it would work, or would it be the fact that people WANT cookies? You see, if you just sell something people want, you don't have to really do much of anything, much less use NLP on them. Used on yourself, it's very interesting. It's kind of funny though, even at that you can only analyze thoughts when you're "awake" to them in the first place. So you have to be awake to catch them and break down the A,V,K of them. If you're not awake you miss it and just go along with them but if you're awake to them and don't break them down the result is the same if you're awake and do break them down, so, what't he NLP for other than it's something interesting that gets us interested in doing other stuff?
[This message has been edited by LordOfEarth (edited April 17, 2002).]
