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#29089 06/30/02 09:15 PM
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All of that is tried and true study information taugh in highschool. I have a book that I kept called "Becoming a master student" by David B. Ellis ISBN:0-942456-10-6 that was the text for a college prep class I had in highschool. An overview, a survey, a preview, scanning, most books can be thrown out after this is done. Over 10% can be sucked out of a book with this very common technique. Yes it's very good, yes it works but no one owns it. It's not photo or speedreading. It's basic common sense. It's the way ordinary people read the newspaper or skim through a catalogue. I personally know no one that starts at the beginning of a magazine or newspaper or catalogue and reads every word all the way till the end.

What about the "hunches" and "feelings" and dejavu being just re-awaked schema (or previous knowledge) gotten through the Preview?








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I have a book that I kept called "Becoming a master student" by David B. Ellis ISBN:0-942456-10-6 that was the text for a college prep class I had in highschool. An overview, a survey, a preview, scanning, most books can be thrown out after this is done.
True. I've seen other books by Tony Buzan, Ed deBono, and Jean Marie Stine that also had these ideas. They're not new but they're also not as widely held or as common as you think. I wish they had books like that at my highschool...I had to go to the library and look under paranormal phenomena to find Superlearning by the Ostranders when I was 12.

Over 10% can be sucked out of a book with this very common technique. Yes it's very good, yes it works but no one owns it. It's not photo or speedreading. It's basic common sense.
Common sense isn't so common. And most people would probably be skeptical if you told them they could study a book in detail without reading every word and trying to memorize it all. That is just not necessary if you know the key concepts. Hence the strategy of PhotoReading.

What about the "hunches" and "feelings" and dejavu being just re-awaked schema (or previous knowledge) gotten through the Preview?
Makes perfect sense to me. Your brain's already associating the ideas you've previewed and activation will be easier then.






#29091 07/01/02 08:32 AM
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My problem is I either toss the book out after the preview or rapid read the whole thing cover to cover, there's no in between for me. My comprehension reading speed is either equal to or better than the speed that I can photoread and do 3 activation sessions. I can't handle skipping around in the text if I'm really interested in the subject. I always want high detail.






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I think the most interesting thing for me from the photoreading stage is the ownership feeling I get from the reading books etc. It becomes easier to apply the knowledge because inwardly I already know it. The problem with these feelings is they are hard to explain.

I tried to explain it on the genius code forum where I explained something of my direct learning experience. I must have seached 30 sites and hundreds of pages. I only Photoread looking for data. Ie. holding consciously in my mind what information I was looking for and then photoread the pages. I found what I was looking for no worries but I also learnt a lot more than I expected. I guess it would come under spontaneous activation.

I started writing out my findings, however I had the good fortune of having lost all my data thanks to the computer chucking a wobbly last night. Now I can start writing it all over again

Mark what I'm trying to say... don't skip the photoreading part... it does make one heck of a difference in memory and usefulness of the stuff you read. You'll notice the deja vu and feelings of familiarity soon enough.

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I already can get dejavu from the Photoreading session complete with hunches and feelings and all that, my theory as to why is above. In the end (isn't that a Linkin Park song?) the only thing I'm even doing anymore is the Photoreading step. Everything else I'm doing is what I always did before.

Photoreading is the one step that's unique to "photoreading." Everything else I already knew. It was just called something different by someone else. Photoreading has not made me faster at actual "reading." It has not made me faster in any aspect. As a matter of fact, doing all the steps slows me down and I actually read less than 100% of the words in the book. When go thru all the steps all of my understanding comes to me only during the rapid reading step. Information that I didn't know about and couldn't ask a mind probe about comes to me plain as day in the text when I read it and I slap myself on the head and go, "DOH! Here's something new."

A while ago I found an old book "The one minute manager meets the Monkey" and it's just a stupid 80's management positive thinking book and I wanted to time myself PRing it but after about 20 pages I backed up and read it cover to cover really fast because it was kind of funny, I actually enjoyed it. It was so stupid that it was funny and even though I could have gotten the "4-11%" in 10 minutes there was a story behind the whole thing that just flowed so fast that I realized something. The same eye movement that skims over 'unimportant' information is the same eye movement that could just read it as long as your there anyway. The difference is just a few seconds.

Another thing to consider (I still laugh about this) is the forward or preface in a book is always written to relax you. So if you relax then superread and dip you invariably skip over the forward. The time that you would take to just read the forward is probably close to the time you spent with your eyes closed. You're not getting ahead. 6 one way, 1/2 dozen the other. Some people skip to the summary too. If you actually read the chapter and also the summary at the end, you've got 2 exposures to the 'important' information right there in your first pass plus you got all the supporting information that makes you believe and see the references the author has for what he's saying. I do think it's possible to skip over 90% or more of the info in a book and get the main points but your missing the authors' personal viewpoints, attitudes, references, leverages and all that stuff. And if your arguement is "you'll get that out of Photoreading" fine, that's your first pass, rapid reading is the last pass you'll need because important information is repeated enough.

I PR'd a couple books about arthritis because my wife has it and the doctors can't do anything about it other than prescribe a drug that my insurance doesn't cover and I wanted to learn all about it. I figured that 3 reasons could have caused it, genetics, diet and lifestyle. You can't change your genetics so I focused on diet and lifestyle when I read. My purposes and mind probes were focused on those 2 things because they're in our control. I PRd and activated 6 books and some pamphlets I got at the doctor and a couple web sites. I did all the steps and made a mind map and all that. The only thing I didn't do was rapid read. I found nothing that we either didn't already know or that the doctor told us or whatnot. My wife can't photoread so she's on page 220 of the first book and I'm done with everything and give up. She looks up from the book and asks, "What's my blood type?" I don't know so I root through her paperwork and I say "Your type O. Why?" She says, "It says right here that Gluten or Wheat should be avoided if you have joint pain especially if your blood type is O." She spends the next week not eating Wheat or any form of it and I rapid read those 6 books and 5 of them said the same thing. She's off the Celebrex and I'm off of Photoreading for a while. My purpose was stronger than any purpose I ever had before, my mind probes covered every area I could think of except for the one idea that worked. The one book that didn't say gluten was the culprit said that dairy was equally bad for someone with blood type O. She's off that too and thank god, more cheese for me. All thanks to reading every stinkin word in order so that I could understand it.

I don't come here to be a naysayer or to tick people off but I'm also not going to lie about results in order to make friends. Photoreading and activating causes me to miss too much information. I've also timed myself and I can rapid read faster than I could previously activate so that's what I'm going to do. I came here recently to find out if others do the same thing and the answer I got is no, it seems as if I'm the only one that really wants to read all the words and skip the tangerine stuff. The overall consensus is 'it works.' Paul made the comment that speedreading is tiring and you have to do the drills everyday or you lose your speed and most people don't keep it up. Since I read everyday I don't consider it "a drill" and I personally think that superreading and dipping is tiring so I guess it's different strokes for different folks. If it works for you and your happy, I'm happy for you. I'm only happy if I read every word and I know it. I'm conditioned.








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Originally posted by MarkP4:
I already can get dejavu from the Photoreading session complete with hunches and feelings and all that, my theory as to why is above. In the end (isn't that a Linkin Park song?) the only thing I'm even doing anymore is the Photoreading step. Everything else I'm doing is what I always did before.

Very true. This exerpt from the "History of PhotoReading" articles explains why....

About the only similarity between speed reading and PhotoReading is the word "reading."

Speed reading is basically regular reading hastened up. Instead of going for words you are going for phrases, complete lines or paragraphs. It's still primarily a conscious-mind, left-brain function.

PhotoReading, on the other hand, is an other-than-conscious, right-brain process. You learn how not to rely on the words that are on the page, but on what goes on in your head. It’s not about moving your eyeballs really fast; it’s about using your brain more efficiently.

Speed reading is about getting comprehension of the words on the page while PhotoReading is about getting comprehension of the meaning of the page.

Speed reading may get you up to 5,000 words per minute, though 1200 words per minute is more the case. With PhotoReading you start at 25,000 words per minute, and where you go from there is anyone’s guess.

With speed reading, 90 percent of people quit using the techniques within a few months. This has to do with the way it is taught. You are taught to go faster and faster, and the faster you go the more doubts will start to creep in as to whether or not you are getting anything. And with these doubts come tensions and stresses, and who wants that?

With PhotoReading there is no stress; it is a calming, relaxing process. This is the case for two reasons. The first has to do with superlearning, accelerated learning. It suggests that if you enter a relaxed state of alertness where you slow down the little voice in the back of your head and relax the body, you will be in an accelerated learning state in which you can learn and process information more optimally. Guess what? When you are in this relaxed state, you can not be stressed. The other reason there is no stress has to do with the fact that you are not worried about whether you are getting anything consciously while PhotoReading because we tell you up front that you won’t. With PhotoReading you will be relaxed and comfortable.


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Photoreading is the one step that's unique to "photoreading." Everything else I already knew. It was just called something different by someone else. Photoreading has not made me faster at actual "reading." It has not made me faster in any aspect. As a matter of fact, doing all the steps slows me down and I actually read less than 100% of the words in the book.

Until you shift your focus from the results you've had in the past and are willing to open your brain to using tips on improving your results in the future, all you will be doing in the present is arguing for your limitations.

First, take a few minutes to witness all the results you've had from using PhotoReading in the past, from a non-judgemental perspective. There is no failure, only feedback.

Then, find 10 books you haven't read on topics you are interested in.

Work the whole 5-step system of PhotoReading on each book, one at a time.

Post back with how you are doing each of the 5 steps so we can give you tips on improving your results and proficiency.








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*Sigh.* I'm too tuckered out to really say anything, and I haven't posted in a while. But look, basically, after doing Visual Basic courses, followed by swimming lessons, followed by tutoring sessions, followed by computer game level design, followed by baseball, etc. I CAN ONLY HAVE THE ENERGY TO SAY ONE THING.

I believe that you are thinking about the system nearly all wrong.






#29096 07/02/02 04:39 AM
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If I can already read a book in under an hour and not skip over parts then PR should let me do it in 20 minutes without skipping over parts and that it cannot do. That's why I said I'm throwing in the towel. Photoreading at 25,000wpm then activating at 1500wpm is allot like having a million dollars in the bank but having to work 40 hours a week anyway to take some out. Your Photoreading speed is still the same as your comprehension reading speed assisted by skipping over unimportant information thereby creating the illusion of reading fast. Saying something is 'whole mind reading' is fine but it's unlocked or decoded in the end by really reading something and that depends on your speed at REALLY reading. Total time spent reading is the bottom line regardless of how long I "Photoread at 25,000 wpm with my whole brain." Besides, I'm not speedreading, I'm doing your rapid reading step.






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Originally posted by MarkP4:
If I can already read a book in under an hour and not skip over parts then PR should let me do it in 20 minutes without skipping over parts and that it cannot do.

On certain books, absolutely. This should already be happening for you if you are doing the steps correctly.

You still are not giving us examples of books you have PhotoRead.

Your posts are equivilent to someone upset because they aren't able to deliver a newborn baby with only having read a book on delivering a newborn baby.

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That's why I said I'm throwing in the towel. Photoreading at 25,000wpm then activating at 1500wpm is allot like having a million dollars in the bank but having to work 40 hours a week anyway to take some out.

PhotoReading is more about working 10 hours instead of 40 so you can make larger and larger withdrawals from your inner-mind's $Million dollar account.

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Your Photoreading speed is still the same as your comprehension reading speed assisted by skipping over unimportant information thereby creating the illusion of reading fast. Saying something is 'whole mind reading' is fine but it's unlocked or decoded in the end by really reading something and that depends on your speed at REALLY reading. Total time spent reading is the bottom line regardless of how long I "Photoread at 25,000 wpm with my whole brain." Besides, I'm not speedreading, I'm doing your rapid reading step.

Okay everybody, how do we rescue Mark from his "analysis paralysis"? He knows the steps but hasn't reached "conscious competence" quite yet.






#29098 07/03/02 05:54 AM
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What I have brought up here in this thread are tough questions and what has come back to me are choice phrases from the PR book. I told you before that I photoread just about everything but it's allot easier to do it on "Unlimited Power" and other stuff like that. I have also said that on books like Natural Brilliance, just skimming and scanning or superreading and dipping don't cut it. Grabbing ideas hear and there doesn't cut it on books like that and you said that's true, rapid reading is just for those types of books. Then I said that if you think about it you can rapid read a page just as fast as superreading and dipping and now you're saying hold on there!

Now I think I got it figured out. If it's a book you don't want to read but have to for some reason, or a book that's 90% cr*p, use photoreading. If it's a GOOD BOOK like Natural Brilliance use Photoreading and finish it off with rapid reading.

I can't believe that I told a whole bunch of photoreaders that you can actually fly with speedreading if you do the photoreading step beforehand and because I even used the word 'speedreading' that's all anyone cared about. It's like a swear word here.

What's the difference between a preview and a survey?

What's the difference between an objective, an assignment or a purpose?

What's the difference between trigger words and key ideas?

What's the difference between a postview and a review?

What's the difference between crafting mind probes and coming up with questions?

What's the difference between superreading and skimming?

What's the difference between dipping and scanning?

What the difference between rapid reading and speedreading?

What makes something "Whole Mind reading" as opposed to "Not whole mind reading?" Is it the questions? The purpose? The affirmations? The Mind Map? The Photoreading step? A combination of all?

Is it possible to have an idea come to you that you have not dipped on? If you skim by it, could you still know it?








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