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#29099 07/02/02 07:45 PM
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What I have brought up here in this thread are tough questions

Your questions reveal you haven't learned how to use PhotoReading quite yet. Give yourself some slack. Learning occurs in layers.

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Now I think I got it figured out. If it's a book you don't want to read but have to for some reason, or a book that's 90% cr*p, use photoreading. If it's a GOOD BOOK like Natural Brilliance use Photoreading and finish it off with rapid reading.

Nope. PhotoReading works on all printed material. You'll see how as you begin doing the system correctly.

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I can't believe that I told a whole bunch of photoreaders that you can actually fly with speedreading if you do the photoreading step beforehand and because I even used the word 'speedreading' that's all anyone cared about. It's like a swear word here.

When you are using PhotoReading correctly, the differences are self-exclamatory.

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What's the difference between a preview and a survey? What's the difference between an objective, an assignment or a purpose? What's the difference between trigger words and key ideas? What's the difference between a postview and a review? What's the difference between crafting mind probes and coming up with questions? What's the difference between superreading and skimming? What's the difference between dipping and scanning?

The difference is in how you use them.

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What the difference between rapid reading and speedreading?

Speed reading techniques are all about cramming information into the greater processing centers of your brain through the limited conscious mind, hoping something sticks.

If you use speed reading techniques with a purpose/outcome statement after doing the PhotoReading step, they actually function in reverse, as they will begin triggering up the information you absorbed during the PhotoReading step.

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What makes something "Whole Mind reading" as opposed to "Not whole mind reading?"

The distinction lies in how you blast the printed info into your other-than-conscious at a page per second with the rod vision in your cornea, together with the activation techniques which "burn in" the new neuro pathways between your conscious mind and where all the information is absorbed in your subconscious during the PhotoReading step.

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Is it the questions? The purpose? The affirmations? The Mind Map? The Photoreading step? A combination of all?

Yup. Combo of it all.

At the same time, you also benefit from doing just the PhotoReading step on multiple books.

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Is it possible to have an idea come to you that you have not dipped on?

Yup. The more books you PhotoRead and fully activate, the more spontaneous activation will occur.

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If you skim by it, could you still know it?

You'll consciously know it better, and quicker, and retain it longer.

Post back when you have PhotoRead more books. Share how much time you spent activating.

Good luck!








#29100 07/04/02 05:05 AM
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-If you use speed reading techniques with a purpose/outcome statement after doing the PhotoReading step, they actually function in reverse, as they will begin triggering up the information you absorbed during the PhotoReading step.-

That's exactly what I do. So am I still doing the "whole mind reading" if I jump right into rapid reading without sr/dipping?

In my case where I missed the info about blood type (earlier in this thread) by skittering/sr/dipping, how could I have gotten that without RapidReading? Is there some way I worded something wrong like a question, purpose, affirmation or something? I mean, I skipped over some pretty important stuff in many books during a syntopic reading session. It's stuff like that tick me off and send me back to just reading fast.

Along the same lines I was going to ask you what you would do if you were looking through a pile of documents or books looking specifically for a "clue" or something that you don't know about yet that is the key to understanding a situation. I don't mean a needle in a haystack but several needles in a pile of needles where you're not sure which is the right trail. Imagine your boss throwing a book at you and saying "I want a full report by tomorrow" and there's no cover or anything and he runs out the door and you can't even ask him why you're doing the report.

Also, what about deep philosophy or the bible where meaning is hidden within metaphors or stories. How do we understand that fast?

What about information where in order to understand it you have to be put in another persons shoes? NLP says there's an underlying story, there are presuppositions, rules and patterns governing people's behavior. Grabbing the authors main points is one thing but how do we find their motivation for comming to those conclusions? A journey leads to the conclusions and it's the journey may also include missinformation or other problems that they overcame and part of the overall explaination is an example. Another way to put it is, what if the author is trying to dispell a myth and has to give pages and pages of examples before stating the new conclusion? This may happen several times in a book, in fact, it may be the WHOLE book.

The urge to overdip has been explained here before by not having a clear purpose, but in the above example the purpose could have been clear but the myth in fact may have taken allot of reasoning in order to conquer it. You may even have to read between the lines.

Even in interoffice memo's allot of emotion can be grabbed out of them. It says, "Do the inventory by Thursday and make sure it's accurate" but it also says, "We are losing money" but without saying it.








#29101 07/04/02 05:38 AM
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Originally posted by MarkP4:
-If you use speed reading techniques with a purpose/outcome statement after doing the PhotoReading step, they actually function in reverse, as they will begin triggering up the information you absorbed during the PhotoReading step.-

That's exactly what I do. So am I still doing the "whole mind reading" if I jump right into rapid reading without sr/dipping?


Exactly. You'll cut down your Rapid Reading time if you go through it with SuperReading & Dipping, one, or two, or three times.

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In my case where I missed the info about blood type (earlier in this thread) by skittering/sr/dipping, how could I have gotten that without RapidReading?

Mind Probing/SuperReading/Skittering & Dipping would have brought you to the pages which contained all the info about the blood types. Then you would create individual branches for each blood type on your Mind Map. When you're ready for all the specific detail about the blood types, then shift into Rapid Reading back in those places and adding more and more trigger words and phrases to your Mind Map.

Keep in mind, too, for technical material, you are better off creating a Mind Map for each chapter. Treat each chapter as a book itself, activating it all up consciously, from whole-to-parts.

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Is there some way I worded something wrong like a question, purpose, affirmation or something? I mean, I skipped over some pretty important stuff in many books during a syntopic reading session. It's stuff like that tick me off and send me back to just reading fast.

This is why I've been wanting you to pick a new book and share exactly what Mind Probing questions you create, so we can see how you are doing it, fresh.

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Along the same lines I was going to ask you what you would do if you were looking through a pile of documents or books looking specifically for a "clue" or something that you don't know about yet that is the key to understanding a situation.

That's what you weave into your purpose/outcome statement in Prepare.


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I don't mean a needle in a haystack but several needles in a pile of needles where you're not sure which is the right trail. Imagine your boss throwing a book at you and saying "I want a full report by tomorrow" and there's no cover or anything and he runs out the door and you can't even ask him why you're doing the report.

Does he or has he done that?

Consider the promotion you could earn by accomodating such a request, by using PhotoReading.

In reality, the material doesn't need a cover or title.

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Also, what about deep philosophy or the bible where meaning is hidden within metaphors or stories. How do we understand that fast?

What about information where in order to understand it you have to be put in another persons shoes? NLP says there's an underlying story, there are presuppositions, rules and patterns governing people's behavior. Grabbing the authors main points is one thing but how do we find their motivation for comming to those conclusions?


It all stems back to your Purpose/Outcome for reading it in the first place, which automatically shifts you out of a passive reader into an active engaged reader & learner.

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A journey leads to the conclusions and it's the journey may also include missinformation or other problems that they overcame and part of the overall explaination is an example. Another way to put it is, what if the author is trying to dispell a myth and has to give pages and pages of examples before stating the new conclusion? This may happen several times in a book, in fact, it may be the WHOLE book.

You'll discover the theme and discern whether it is true or a myth, spending 1/3 to a 1/10 of the time you would normally use with normal reading.

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The urge to overdip has been explained here before by not having a clear purpose, but in the above example the purpose could have been clear but the myth in fact may have taken allot of reasoning in order to conquer it. You may even have to read between the lines.

This is the reason for the time limit on each activation pass. You'll know in advance you can't spend a whole lot of time in each place you Dip, because you have to reach the end of the book when 30 minutes have past.

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Even in interoffice memo's allot of emotion can be grabbed out of them. It says, "Do the inventory by Thursday and make sure it's accurate" but it also says, "We are losing money" but without saying it.

So, have we exhausted your questions (analysis paralysis) yet, so you are able to move on to developing your PhotoReading skill on more books, more intelligently?








#29102 07/03/02 06:40 PM
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I guess the untimate test would be for you to assign me or us a book and we'll tell you what our purposes, ect. are and then you could drill us. Or have someone else do it here.








#29103 07/03/02 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by MarkP4:
I guess the untimate test would be for you to assign me or us a book and we'll tell you what our purposes, ect. are and then you could drill us. Or have someone else do it here.

Rather than putting you into that stressful "ultimate test" mindset, consider what you need to do to get the same benefit with PhotoReading which many thousands of other people already enjoy.

So, step onto the court and find several books on topics you are interested in but haven't read yet. Then, work the system as we have been coaching you on how to do it.

I applaud you for your self-motivation and all you have learned so far from only working with the PhotoReading book. Possessing "self-teaching" skill is an invaluable asset. At the same time, consider doing the live seminar and/or the self-study course to put your skill-development in overdrive. The progress you may make over several months with the how-to book can be achieved in just a few weeks with the self-study, or just one weekend in the live class.

Start a new thread with your next book. Choose mastery!






#29104 07/04/02 11:14 AM
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^^^What Dana said.

I'm not selling the PR system so I have no special need to defend it to you. If speed reading works for you, by all means go ahead and use it! It's not a bad word to me and I won't knock it if it works.

To each his own.






#29105 07/04/02 12:20 PM
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Mark, you have worked yourself up against a wall. It seems like you are trying to go through the wall by banging your head hard on it. Obviously it's not working!!

Take some steps backwards and look, if there is a door in the wall. That's the easiest way to go to the other side.






#29106 07/04/02 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by purjo:
Mark, you have worked yourself up against a wall. It seems like you are trying to go through the wall by banging your head hard on it. Obviously it's not working!!

Take some steps backwards and look, if there is a door in the wall. That's the easiest way to go to the other side.



Excellent advice purjo! Well done!







#29107 07/04/02 06:05 PM
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I got a hold of some speedreading books with reading comprehension tests in them. I'm going to run all 5 steps on them and let the scores speak for themselves.

I'll do one test a day (or less) to allow for the 24 hour activation. My criteria is 60% to pass and I'm not giving myself any more time to activate than it would take to just flat out rapid read it.

I'll start a separate thread for test results.








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