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When the Bible says to meditate it doesn't mean meditate in general. It says to meditate on the Scriptures (Joshua 1:8; Psalm 1:2; Psalm 77:12; Psalm 119:23, 48, 78, and 148; Psalm 143:5; 1 Timothy 4:15 and 16).

Whether a person wants to be filled with the Holy Spirit or with other spirits, it is always a CONSCIOUS CHOICE. Spirits are like people. You receive the one you call on.

Photoreading is a way to think faster. You already think. How can it be satanic to do what you already do, faster? Why give satan credit for you having a brain and wanting to use it? Did satan invent thinking? NO.

I think personally some 'call themselves' christians (aka the fundamentalists) use the whole devil possesed acusation to scare other believers into following their own opinions instead of following the Word. As always, learn more about what you're getting yourself into and PRAY ABOUT IT. THAT (as ALWAYS) is where you should get your answers from, in your prayer closet, NOT from the BIASED opinions of other men.

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Originally posted by x:
How can it be satanic to do what you already do, faster? Why give satan credit for you having a brain and wanting to use it? Did satan invent thinking? NO.

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The Temple of Set would argue with you. They see Set/
Satan as self-reflective awareness, or at least the source of it.

"Satan" is a proper noun, by the way.

First, I would like to thank all the participants. This is the most fascinating discussion about religion I've ever participated in. By keeping this on application, rather than theology, I'm learning more and arguing less.

All right, what I think may be scaring some people away is what the presense, and use of, the Other-Than-Conscious mind means to some Christians. Those who see the mind as "soul" would have a hard time dealing with the existance of a part of their soul which isn't DIRECTLY accessable. The only options seem to be to deny it exists, or to say that this is where Sin lurks, and to allow the other-than-conscious mind to influence the conscious mind is to invite Sin into your life.

However, there are two other ways to look at this problem. The first, and I do not hold this view, is dualism. In dualism, we see seperate "soul" from "brain." Thus, affirmations work through a process of the soul telling the brain what to do. Certainly, NLP and hypnosis do tend to seperate consciousness from "brain."

The other solution is trinitarianism which I do advocate. This is the view expounded by Huna. In this view, there are actually three "selves" to an individual. The one you see most as "you" is your middle self. This self has access to reasoning, discernment, direction and awareness. This self is the most human aspect of you. Below this self lies the "lower self," which has a certain cunning even if it doesn't have the smarts of the middle self. This self also has all the memories, although it can present them to the middle self. It also controls the body and the "aka body" or Etheric Double. Above both these selves is the "High Self," which is the spiritual aspect of yourself. This is the part of you that could be said to be already in heaven. Huna prayer works through the method of using your connection between the middle and low selves to present a unified prayer to the high self. This CAN fit into a Christian "in God's Image" view of the way the human mind/soul works, and Max Freedom Long does explain this in his works on Huna. I see the high-self not so much as a "self" as it is a "source." Of course, this is a theological distinction that only makes a difference in that their are a finite number of sources (less than 20). Either way, the Kahunas saw the High Self as essentially less-than-knowable, although the High Self could communicate with the Divine and have some knowing of it.

I hope I made some sense. It's hard for me to talk about spiritual things, as I feel spirituality with my other-than-conscious mind. I'm a celebrant, not a theologist.

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Originally posted by Kaiden:
The Temple of Set would argue with you. They see Set/Satan as self-reflective awareness, or at least the source of it.

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Set philosophy (as well as Christianity) deals with our conscious mind's decisions regarding our personal conduct, decisions which form only a small subset of the thinking process proper. Therefore I repeat myself: Satan did not invent thinking. Maybe cerain thoughts, but not the thinking process proper, which is far larger than conscious thought alone.

Another thing neither Christians nor Satanists want to admit is that not every thought has bias; not everything is 'for' or 'against'. Many of our conscious thoughts and decisions are neutral and only have the relative judgmental value placed on them later by our own (or other peoples') personal belief systems.

In Taoism, to do the appropriate action at the right time is the highest good; to ignore universal physics principles in favour of following our own ego or will to power is the incorrect/evil way. This idea is of eastern origin so it supersedes many westernized Christian/Satanist arguments because it follows a different premise.

But I digress. Back to the topic at hand.

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Hey guys! A quick note of thanks for the on-going (and hopefully continuing) discussion...

I've not been around to read the post, but look at 'em go! Wow! I went back to do a search on past topics on Religion and PhotoReading, and I'm really impressed with the verbal conduct of you all! Thank you for making this discussion a most enjoyable experience for me!

Thanks to all the religious/non-religious sides being represented. I really appreciate the openness of minds, and the firmness of your decisions to believe what you each individually believe. It has sure helped me see my faith in a different view, and has made me even stronger in my beliefs.

Hope to create more controversial subjects in the future!!!

the_saxophonist (Jeff)

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1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Test everything. Hold on to the good."

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Christians are in many ways the people most easily scared that I have met (I'm a christian myself). In many forums I have stated what the Bible says (quoted above) and many christians immediately argue with me against testing some things. I have being doing Holosync meditation for more than a year and I have seen only benefits. By not thinking anything, we do not open our minds to demons. For many of you, christians, you know that as christians you have the Holy Ghost living in yourself, a demon can have a very hard time trying to slip inside you while meditating. Could a demon enter a place inhabited by God? I think not.

This is my opinion in this; by doing meditation you are not being unfaithful to God. At least, the Holosyng program does not require that you begin believing a new religion or believe on new gods or speaking to "spiritual guides". So I think that at least Holosync is perfectly suitable for everyone. So is photoreading and many other things.

About christians focusing in the "I" only, I have my reservations about this.

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John 17:11 "I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name--the name you gave me--so that they may be one as we are one."

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"so that they may be one as we are one", what does that mean? I think that the possibility (I'm not saying that this is this way) of all humans being linked together is real and the Bible does not provide anything to contradict it, all to the contrary, it says that we (christians) should be one as The Father and The Son are one. There are some other things that have led me to think about this as a real possibility, but I'll not mention them. As for being linked to all things, I don't have any opinion on this, maybe, maybe not, I don't know.

I don't mean to offend anyone here. I'm just stating my opinion. Take care.

I am a devout Christian, but meditation and photoreading don't scare me. But then, I've also studied psychology in university, and been through years of therapy, read dozens of self-help books, and in general tried to fix myself (and very successfully, too, I might add.) I've used all sorts of tools to help me improve my life, including naturopathy, homeopathy, healing touch, educational kinesiology, holosync. My attitude is that if it works and it feels comfortable, use it. If it doesn't feel comfortable, don't. To state the obvious, if it doesn't feel comfortable, it ain't gonna work anyway, so why bother.

As far as the other-than-conscious versus conscious versus whatever other labels you can come up with, as far as I'm concerned, they're all a part of me, of my character, of my essense, of my soul. But then, I'm also that person who has started giving names to her inner selves (Freddie the Sabateur, for example - and yes, I have entire conversations with him.) I don't see this as sacrilegious - I see this as a healthy way of solving problems. But I also think that God is kind, loving, compassionate, and has a great sense of humour.

Having said that, all sorts of people have blocks about all sorts of things. Sure, I'll throw some Christians into one general category of having blocks of type A, and perhaps this group of people have blocks of type B, and so on and so forth. It doesn't really matter how you label it, we all have them - they just look a little different to people who don't have them, because, not having experienced that specific type of block, they don't necessarily understand it.

I think that it doesn't matter how you label it or how you view it - just go with what works for you, and you'll wind up going where you need to go. If your intent is to become a better person, however that has meaning for you, if you work at it with whatever methods you choose, you will become a better person, and isn't that what counts?

Okay, so this is perhaps a little (!) off topic, but somewhat related.

Having said all of the above, I've tried photoreading, and I'm still doing it every now and then, but it hasn't been dramatically successful yet - I think it has been moderately successful, but I haven't used it consistently enough, and realistically, I have a few other blocks I need to deal with that I think will help make photoreading a lot more successful.

I know many fundamentalists who balk at everything psychological, but when a member does not respond to the Churchianity methods they usually send the victim to a shrink. Regarding altered states, you can't avoid them. The brain cranks out alpha every second or two. Every time yoiu close your eyes, your in alpha. If you fall asleep in church your in theta, so you might as well sin on the side of progress. Some of the dimbbest people I know are preachers. Just rambling.

Sorry I hit the "i"instead of the "u".

I've revised my stance after PhotoReading and partially activating "Jesus Among the Other Gods." Because I had a certain investment in prooving that PhotoReading was "safe," I ignored "NOPS" and did my best to dismiss my feelings of disgust that the experience invoked. Because I didn't acknowledge this at a conscious level, or even attempt to find out exactly what it was within the text that disgusted me, the emotion festered within me, and turned inward. I became openly hostile as the night waxed on.

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