thankyou everyone for your input. i made the outline directly from the tapes, taking many notes and condensing them (based on what paul stressed). Could you please point out where they are wrong? (also IM2, i understand how you were interpreting that but when he said "im not worried about results" im believe sure he was just referring to not getting stressed. However, that 'curious state' does seem to be an integral part of the system. thx again