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Oh, btw, here's a link to PR tips: http://wwww.youngprer.com/tips-bw.htm

This page is something in general that has helped people before, and I feel is something that isn't used often enough these days. It's something along the lines of an F.A.Q.

And here's a link to the album, just for kicks: http://www.youngprer.com/music.htm

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Alex,What's your answer?I want to know your opinion about speedreading and photoreading

Speed reading and PhotoReading are two different things perhaps opposites.

Speed reading is about pushing the eyeball faster across the page. It tries to be a one size fits all type of reading. It assumes you will always get the same level of comprehension from all writing. It takes constant practice and if you stop doing it for extended periods you need to start training again.

I found that I was not alone with my experience with speed reading. My reading comprehension speed was drasticlly slower after learning speed reading. Where I was reading at about 380 wpm naturally before learning speed reading my experience was lest than satisfactory and comprehension suffered, afterward my speed was 240wpm. I never managed to regain my pre speed reading speed until I learned PhotoReading.


With PhotoReading we take the opposite approach. We take in the information at the fastest possible pace first and then slow down and build our knowledge in layers. The overall effect is similar to driving along a freeway at high speed and then being forced to slow down 50%. We star fast and the mind has taken in the information but it's slow to com into consciousness and the wondering mind likes to forget quickly that we want it conscious. We go through it again at spdees faster than speed reading. Building up our conscious awareness in layers. We continue until we have reached the level of conscious awareness that we desire. Even though we have many layers it winds up faster.

If we want to have deep comprehension on a analytical level the reading average is 70 yo 90wpm. We often find ourselves reading passages 3 or 4 times to understand them. While our reading speed may be 90 WPM if we read a passage for the third time we have technically reduced out speed to 30WPM. Funny thing is we don't realise we are building our understanding in layers. 3 passes over some passages.

Rather than starting with the slowest speed first PhotoReading starts with the fastest. For some subjects that's all the conscious comprehension we need from a book right then.
Even if you need analytically read something it makes sense to apply the PhotoReading since your mind builds understanding in layers anyway.

It becomes easier to read at the pace of 540 to 600 wpm. The pace, math says, your 7 plus or minus 2 bits of information per second conscious mind should be capable of. Because we start fast and slow down.

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Alex, I can't understand your passage on reading speed.
Supposing a comprension level of 70%.
Supposing that you do all the layers of PR necessary to get that level of comprension....how much is the speed of PR, (doing a total count of the passages, excluding incubation)?

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As I have said I am a beginner. I bought my copy of the PhotoReading book on 12 August. I think there are at least two key points at which PR differs from speed reading, each of which pertains to the deliberate engagement of the other-than-conscious (OTC?) mind. First, there is the possibility, and the eventuality with practice and stimulation of conscious-OTC coordination, of causing 'direct learning'. The information is absorbed by the OTC mind, and somehow influences behavior. The examples typically pertain to physical skills such as playing pool. I don't see why it wouldn't also apply to factual learning. Related to this is syntopic reading, in which one PRs a handful of books and activates one; the others feed the process without being absorbed consciously.

The second point of difference seems to be, in my experience, that having looked at the book in the PhotoRead step, it becomes known to the mind in a way that doesn't seem to occur in another method. When I activate with my question or purpose, I just go and go, and very quickly pass over material that isn't relevant--I know it isn't relevant because when I decide to test the matter, and take a close look at a passage that I have 'decided' to skip, it indeed turns out to be the case that it does not answer my question. When I forget to activate with a question or purpose in mind, my reading becomes more like regular reading; then with the purpose, I speed up again. You could say that with a purpose one can skim a book rapidly in any case, but of course I have done that before, and my point is that this PhotoRead process feels different. It really seems much easier to find what I am looking for, whether it be a very specific need I have, or just the meat of the argument: give the mind a question, and having seen the material, it races to the answer.


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You could always think of it as a type of "Pascal's Wager". The argument for PhotoReading is quite plausible. It is quite reasonable that we have a non-conscious processing capability. There are reams of anecdotal evidence and experimental evidence for this. The arguments and explanations are well-organized and easy to follow. In the final analysis, what does PhotoReading cost? A few minutes. It can't hurt, and it probably helps.

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quote:
Originally posted by Alex K. Viefhaus:
Speed reading and PhotoReading are two different things perhaps opposites.

And the funny thing is, other speed reading books toy with the issue of consciousness. In [u]Super Reading Secrets[/u] Howard Berg has a chapter titled "Mastering your mind's hidden potential with meditation" in which he mentions examples from religious traditions which employ meditation and focus to enter in to a devoted state. He even mentions the incorrupt bodies of monks and saints as examples of how this kind of concentration really does effect a change in the person! Berg recommends various concentration tips so that the mind will enter "into a receptive learning state". Mostly he has you pinching your nostrils but in any case he's aware of this issue. In [u]Breakthrough Rapid Reading[/u] Peter Kump writes a little about expanding awareness, and dabbles in consciousness issues when he writes "we tend to unconsciously select stimuli to be aware of". Then he goes on to discuss purpose. As far as I've noticed PhotoReading is the only technique that squarely addresses developing the role of other-than-conscious processing and focusing the mind efficiently on the task.

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We often find ourselves reading passages 3 or 4 times to understand them.

And having PhotoRead enables us to find these passages rapidly. Other writers in the rapid reading field acknowledge that one doesn't want 100% of a book, that part of the issue is finding what one wants and having a purpose. So it isn't that speed reading is about zooming in and PhotoReading isn't: any reading process has to focus more on some passages than others.

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Originally posted by Centauro-X:
Alex, I can't understand your passage on reading speed.
Supposing a comprension level of 70%.
Supposing that you do all the layers of PR necessary to get that level of comprension....how much is the speed of PR, (doing a total count of the passages, excluding incubation)?

If you want numbers lets look at one page with an average of 330 words. When we analytcally read because we need to understand a proof or formula we may will often read the page 3 or more times. 3 times at 90 WPM is 11 minutes. More often than not we are looking at the details to try and understand the broad concept of the formula.

Applying PhotoReading 1 second during the PhotoReading stage and say 6 superreads and dips at 30 seconds a page = 3 minutes 1 second. Lets say we got the concept at this point and now we want detail 1 to 2 minutes tradional reading. So you get the same information in half the time. Remember this is for a subject that you need to know in detail and requires analytical thinking.

The trap that many people fall into is that the first activation pass or 3 don't necessarily produce "the answer" so they drop it and go to traditional reading.

The advantage of layering is you get to come back and check your purpose and your mind probing questions. You work with the book not waiting for the book towork on you.

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Really clear as usual.
Thank you Alex!

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