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I was wondering if a person could use subliminals when it's not possible to listen to paraliminals (car, work, etc.) and then to listen to paraliminals at home. Plus would paraliminals help anchor in the message of the subliminals faster?
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There's a lot of contraversy over subliminals. The famous "drink coke, eat popcorn" study was a fraud, which never happened. Double-blind studies show the power of subliminals to be more an effect of the user's belief than the tape's unheard messages. If I was going to use the two technologies together, I would get a subliminal video and listen to it with the sound off and a paraliminal on. The reason is that the video's I've seen show the image in a way that the conscious mind can know it's there, and perhaps even recognize it, but the text is outside the fovial vision. For a substitute to paraliminals, I do listen to the Personal Celebration series when I'm working. It's also good as a way to fall asleep, as you can direct full awareness to the tape. If you do wish to listen to it eyes closed and with headphones, the vocal effects are really top quality. I also have recorded Daoists sayings for when I just want something profound, but not distracting.
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Kaiden, what you said about the pop corn and coca cola is not exactly true according to the materials I've read. It IS true that not everyone ate pop corn and drank coca-cola that night but it is also true that the vendors sold more of both, alot more. I've used alot of subliminals through the years (going back to the mid-80's) and I would say that there plenty that I noticed no particular change even though I played the heck out of them. However, with that said, I have to say that the the Eldon Taylor tapes were VERY good and effective---even though they're not subliminal tapes in the truest sense of the word. You can't make out the words but you can hear that they're there and for a subliminal that is LOUD! There have been quite a few documented double blind studies on the E. Taylor tapes (Inner Talk) including one study that was done in the Utah State prison and others throughout the country and also in Germany. The tapes work. The above poster could easily play one in the background with an ocean or mountain stream background and also a paraliminal on the headphones. It would be a very potent combination indeed! And a very relaxing one at that!
I would recommend a music Inner Talk tape in the car though OR an Inner Script tape from Quantum Quests. These are great for the car (I use them myself with really good results). The Inner Script is a supraliminal tape in which you can hear the words in the "you" format and underneath the mountain stream background are subliminal affirmations in the "I" format which you can easily verify with a set of headphones. Better than paraliminals? In my condo the answer is NO ---although they also DO get results. In my car, they are MUCH better than any hypnosis tape due to safety precautions. Personally for car only use, I'd recommend the Inner Talk from Eldon Taylor in a music
format or the Inner Script tapes from Quantum Quest.
For home use, I'll take the Paraliminal and HPP tapes every single time!
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Originally posted by Mike Pearson:
Kaiden, what you said about the pop corn and coca cola is not exactly true according to the materials I've read.
The materials you've read aren't exactly true. You're actually dealing with an Urban Legend. Snopes.com is the ultimate online source for checking if "common knowledge" is true, or just misinformation which has been passed on to so many times that it is taken as truth.
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Hi Just wanted to point out two things you might have missed, Kaiden. quote:
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There's a lot of contraversy over subliminals. The famous "drink coke, eat popcorn" study was a fraud, which never happened.
From your recommended site: You see, Vicary lied about the results of his experiment. When he was challenged to repeat the test by the president of the Psychological Corporation, Dr. Henry Link, Vicary's duplication of his original experiment produced no significant increase in popcorn or Coca-Cola sales. Eventually Vicary confessed that he had falsified the data from his first experiments, and some critics have since expressed doubts that he actually conducted his infamous Ft. Lee experiment at all. It points out that some critics doubt that he did conduct the experiment, but doesn't go so far as to confirm it. quote:
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Double-blind studies show the power of subliminals to be more an effect of the user's belief than the tape's unheard messages.
I was pondering this one. Since photoreading seems to use the same principles as subliminals, this statement implies that they have little impact, and work mainly on the user's belief. Yet photoreading has been shown to work on all materials. Furthermore, there is the phenomenon of direct learning, and that cannot be down to just belief, I think. KWLee
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Well it seems that research is being done in fact and it seems to be pointing to the fact that subliminal persuasion does work... Laboratory Manual from the Department of Psychology, Cornell University
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In short, research on subliminal advertising suggests that subliminally presented stimuli have little or no influence on our thoughts, attitudes, preferences, or behavior. Or do they? Cognitive and social psychologists are now learning that stimuli presented subliminally can not only be perceived, but can have a considerable influence over a variety of cognitive processes (possibly even behavior). This research stands in stark contrast to the failings of subliminal advertising, and in this module we will investigate the replicability, generalizability, and validity of some of these new findings,
This study is restricted to the visual system
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I should note at the outset that we will be restricting our discussion of subliminal presentations to those that are presented exclusively to the visual system. There is some evidence of subliminal perception in the auditory and tactile systems, but a discussion of these effects is beyond the scope of this module. Furthermore, we will restrict our attention to methods that have been found to reliably (but not without controversy) produce subliminal effects. Thus, audio self-help tapes with subliminal suggestions to "lose weight" or "be happy" are not considered, nor are "backmasked" messages instructing one to "smoke marijuana". Research has reliably shown that these methods produce no effects other than those expected by the listeners (Greenwald, Spangenberg, Pratkanis, & Eskenazi, 1991; Pratkanis, 1992).
Check it out for yourself http://www.csic.cornell.edu/201/subliminal KWLee
For your consideration...
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A common belief regarding consciousness is that conscious perception enables one to use the perceived information to act on the world and to produce effects on the world (cf. Searle, 1992). In contrast, unconsciously perceived information leads to more automatic reactions that cannot be controlled by the perceiver. This distinction between the active and passive consequences of perception has been captured in a number of experiments demonstrating that consciously perceived stimuli allow subjects to follow instructions, whereas unconsciously perceived stimuli lead to much more automatic reactions (e.g., Debner & Jacoby, 1994; Merikle & Joordens, 1997; Merikle, Joordens, & Stolz, 1995).
For more information see this link http://watarts.uwaterloo.ca/%7Epmerikle/papers/uncons-percept-full.html Alex
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Comparing PhotoReading to listening to a Subliminal tape is only valid if one PhotoReads with closed eyes.
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Originally posted by Kaiden:
Comparing PhotoReading to listening to a Subliminal tape is only valid if one PhotoReads with closed eyes.
I beg to differ. I mentioned subliminals, and this is not constrained just to subliminal audio tapes. Subliminal advertising, for example, works in both auditory and visual form. When I attended the Subliminal Dynamics course, we were taught about subliminal advertising precisely because it related to the mental photography process. Furthermore, you suggested, in spite of your last comment, a method of using subliminals which involved opened eyes : quote:
Originally posted by Kaiden:
If I was going to use the two technologies together, I would get a subliminal video and listen to it with the sound off and a paraliminal on. The reason is that the video's I've seen show the image in a way that the conscious mind can know it's there, and perhaps even recognize it, but the text is outside the fovial vision.
KWLee [This message has been edited by KWLee (edited December 14, 2002).]
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Comparing PhotoReading to listening to a Subliminal tape is only valid if one PhotoReads with closed eyes.
How do you substantiate that? Alex
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Here is some evidence that auditory subliminal can work... quote:
Likewise, auditory stimuli such as the names of letters were whispered so faintly that observers claimed that they were unable to hear any sound whatsoever. To test whether these visual or auditory stimuli may have been perceived despite the statements to the contrary, the observers were asked to make guesses regarding the stimuli. For example, if half the stimuli were letters and half the stimuli were digits, the observers may have been asked to guess whether a letter or a digit had been presented. The consistent result found in these early studies was that the observers' guesses regarding the stimuli were more correct than would be expected on the basis of chance guessing. In other words, despite the observers' statements indicating that they were unaware of perceiving the stimuli, their guesses indicated that they did in fact perceive sufficient information to make accurate guesses regarding the stimuli. Over the years, there have been literally hundreds of studies following a similar format. Taken together, these studies show that considerable information capable of informing decisions and guiding actions is perceived even when observers do not experience any awareness of perceiving.
http://watarts.uwaterloo.ca/%7Epmerikle/papers/SubliminalPerception.html Check out the link for more details (I love these University sites always have plenty of reading material ;D) Alex
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