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Here is a post that may cause some controversy or else everyone will think I am crazy and ignore it. There are stories in many cultures of people affecting the weather (American Indian rain dances, Jesus calming the seas during a storm, Wizards creating fog to diguise troops before battle in Scandinavia and Korea). Is it possible?

First some background. I have been mediating and a student of the Higher Balance material for 1.5 years. Before this time I had no trainging, experience or knowledge of any spiritual or new age groups. I recently got the CD course called "Mind Storm". For a description, see:

Higher Balance modules

Here is a (slightly edited) copy of an email I sent to my spiritual coach (Note: cloud bursing is causing clouds to disapper. Eric recomends starting with small clouds that are near to other larger clouds.):

C.,

I've had Mind Storm for a little while but I hadn't tried it yet until this weekend. I think I was a little afraid that it wouldn't work although when I first got the CDs I had a inner voice telling me that I would be able to do this.

This weekend, my wife and I traveled to her parent's house. I spent two days helping my father-in-law build barb wire fence. It was hard work a little cold. One day after working for a few hours, I layed down in grass away from everyone else. Two of my dog's layed down on either side of me and my third dog layed down by my head. It was warm, laying on the sun-warmed ground, out of the wind. It was mostly sunny, with a few puffy white clouds overhead. I was zoning out for a while and then I realized it would be a perfect time to try cloud bursting (I hadn't been able to meditate for 2 days).

I picked one cloud after another (six in all) and they just disappeared very quickly (in 15 to 60 seconds each time). I did this both with my eyes open and with my eyes closed. It all seemed very easy and a little anti-climatic. I had expected to be very excited when I first got this to work, but I wasn't. I just wanted to write it in my journal down so I wouldn't forget.

T.C.

I think what you are talking about is very possible. There are many examples like the ones you give. The ones that can do it seem to harness a natural law.

Everyone seems to go through a training cycle where it seems very cool to be able to do it. Then it seems to only be used when it has a purpose. Like Jesus calming the seas or Medicine Men to bring the rain, or Healers performing miracles like Edward Cayce.

Most will say that the power does not come from themselves but that they are able to tap into it to direct it. It usually has many unseen conditions that must be met to do this. Everyone develops their own method of doing this.

In the book "Rolling Thunder" the Medicine Man (Rolling Thunder) would get a stink bug and irritate it to make lightning and eventually rain. Maybe he used the bugs' frustration and consciously connected to the Great Spirit to make the storm.

His purpose was to heal the dry land by bringing rain, it was not done lightly.

Anyway, good stuff

Hi Coyote:

I learned the "cloud bursting" technique from Richard Bach's "Illusions: The Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah" back in 1980 - been doing 'cloud wars' with my daughter (she was a teen-ager at the time) ever since. I blow them away, and she creates them. She's actually better at it than me, in the creating department, and one time she did make it rain, out of spite. Her belief structure is such that she felt I shouldn't be interfering with the clouds God had put in the sky, so she made sure they came back.

Once you've eye'd up which cloud you'd like to operate on, it isn't really necessary to continue starring at it, as you seem to have discovered. I use this as a "personal power" technique when doing some of my workshops, because I want to connect the students to their core of creativity - let them know that they have an intimate connection with nature and the Universe. Just about everyone seems to be able to do this, with a little effort, so it's a great way to get them involved in thinking about how they can affect other areas of their lives.

The novelty has never worn off - guess I must be a big kid at heart.

Cheers!
Unis

Where were you weather-controllers during the Ethiopian drought???

Unis ... sounds like you and your daughter alone could've saved MILLIONS of people.

BTW ... I have a good friend in the meteorology department next door who would LOVE to talk to any of you. He informs me there are currently at least a dozen droughts around the world, and he is desperate to hire anyone exhibiting the amazing powers which you profess. Please ... millions of desperate souls need you!!! Any volunteers?

Maybe you could stop all this excess Irish rain? We can no doubt settle with being a slightly less green emerald isle. Many would buy you a pint in thanks... ;0)
Ingrid

Sorry, guys - not into playing around with big clouds - just the helpless little fluffy kind that don't fight back (not into getting wacked from a lightening bolt, thank you ). Any rain that was produced was insignificant - a few spits and sprinkles.

If several people who had the ability to do this, and had practised a great deal more than I have actually put their minds to it, collectively, I'm sure what you're talking about (curing droughts) would certainly be in the realm of possibility. I think they would have to be in the area of the drought - and certainly, one would need clouds that had some moisture in them to work upon. Not all clouds have a significant enough water content to be of benefit.

Sorry, Ingrid, that you are wringing out your lovely green island.

Cheers!
Unis

My experiences with cloud busting ("making small white puffy clouds vanish") has only been in the last few weeks. Right now I think of it as more a palor trick. But it is also a "palor trick" that shows our ordinary reality is not exactly as most people believe. Modern science does have any explanation for how this could happen (as far as I know, I have sort of started to tune out the so-called "scientists" and "science-experts" in recent times).

In about a ten minute period, I can make 5 or 6 small clouds disappear. I have tried this technique on about 6 different days now and it has worked every time I have tried. I even tried it from inside my house, laying on a couch, looking out a window and it worked. I am somewhat reluctant to attempt larger displays of changing the weather because they might not work. I also think that if I tried to demostrate this ability in a lab or to someone who did not believe that it was possible, the whole thing would short circuit and not work.

I prefer to have lots of positive feedback in my spirtitual experiences. After all, this is just a "side show", my real goal is to connect to God (or the Universe or the Source or whatever you want to call it).

I believe in theory it would be possible to create rain where there was a drought but it would take someone with a great deal of power and would expend a great deal on energy. We all have the things we are called to do, and we must choose when and where to expend our energy. We must make choices about what will do the greatest good. As a student, I believe the best use of "spending" my energy to improve my consciousness, to become enlightened (I dislike the word enlightened because it has a great many expectations or ideas attatched to it that may or may not be correct). When I have a great ability to affect things on this planet (more energy), I can affect things in a more profound way. Especially if I work in concert with others. Perhaps someday when there are thousands of enlightened masters on the earth, we can affect a great many things in a positive way.

Dear Coyote,

Some historical info about cloud-busting, which technically is defined as
the ability to stop rain (as opposed to rain-making).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud-buster

It seems to me that humankind has had plenty of time to develop this
ability, if it is legitimate. That humankind has not says something
significant. (Hey - let me know if you do!)

And, while you disdain scientists, they have at least come up with more
consistent methods of climate control, although we are still trying to
perfect these methods. Consider the following efforts by
Chinese meteorologists to ensure a pleasant 2008 Olympics:

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/06/05/china.rain/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13107271/site/newsweek/

Best,

HF

HF,

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to imply that I disdain science or those who add to our knowledge. After all, without science we wouldn't be posting messages in this forum from our computers.

..and I make my living through science. I spend my days as an Electrical Engineer making complicated manufacturing machinery run better and faster.

But also one needs to remember the short-commings of any belief system. With the internet and a little research, it is possible to find many possible problems with much of the science we are currently practicing. But when I have discussions with other engineers and physists, they regard the current state of knowledge with a kind of worship. They defend those theories in the same way a religious fundamentalist defends their beliefs. And they will try and convert the "scientific heretic" to their own ideas (or science's own ideas).

Coyote

Dear Coyote,

Oh, yes, I totally agree that scientists are in every possible way suffer
from the same foibles as the rest of humankind. As a scientist, I work
regularly with colleagues who are some of the most obstinate, egotistical,
narrow-minded, brash, opinionated, and out-spoken people I know. But the
thing that makes them different from the other obstinate, egotistical, etc
... people in my life is that they base their beliefs upon what can be
objectively determined with repeatable experiments and observations.
There is no authority in science, no matter how senior the researcher,
except nature itself. Many times, I've knocked down a theory of my
adviser with a decided experiment, and he would immediately concede and
proceed along the new avenue of thought as directed by the results. In
that sense, scientists are the most humble souls on the planet, because
our interest is in only what can be firmly agreed upon in an objective,
rational manner.

The nature of the kinds of arguments and disagreements in science is
different from the nature of the kinds of arguments and disagreements in
other human endeavors. In fact, it is the responsibility of scientists to
tirelessly probe and challenge each other's models of the world, and only
those models which stand up to repeatable experiments and observations
grounded in reality will survive. Many a theory, regardless how beautiful
and elegant and appealing, failed the litmus test of objective
experimentation and have been summarily tossed into the trash-bin of
useless ideas. The presence of arguments and disagreements at the
frontiers of knowledge only show that we don't fully understand those
topics very well yet. That's what keeps us motivated to continue probing
and playing ... there's so much in nature to be elucidated!

Let me put it this way: every scientist's dream is to make a discovery
worthy of the highest honor given to a scientist ... the Nobel Prize in
her field of study. Believe me, if cloud-busting and rain-making and
mental control of weather could be put on a firm, objective, rational
basis, that researcher would definitely be awarded a Nobel Prize
immediately!! Maybe two! Maybe ten! That no one has yet says something
important. Instead, the evidence is strongly the other way, and every
objective examination of the issue suggests it's much more profitable to
spend our time and energies on other more consistent methods to control
the weather. After all, weather control is not about human power over
nature, but of alleviating human suffering. In a higher sense, true
scientific exploration of weather control IS a practice of mind over
matter, because it is with these wonderful brains that we learn about and
come up with ideas to effectively control our environment. (The
consequences of such tinkering with natural forces opens up a whole new
can of worms!)

At the same time, let me not come across as a poo-pooer of new ways of
thinking and new paradigms. Perhaps you will be the first to perfect mind
control over weather (or other things in the natural world). If you do,
you will win the Nobel Prize for sure, I can guarantee that! And I
encourage you to experiment and explore along those lines. At the same
time, I encourage you to be totally objective in the true spirit of the
scientific method, which is designed specifically to prevent us from
deceiving ourselves. Yes, there are a lot of jewels to be found, but let
us also be completely honest and acknowledge that there is a lot of
garbage, too. May we have the wisdom to discern between them.

And please continue to share your progress ... I for one would be most
interested. From one scientist to another, I wish you the best,

HF