Hi HF;
To cover a few steps on this discussion. To qoute something I heard from Bill Harris that might fit here "The map is not the territory". When I was a younger lad I liked to follow the big name body builders like Arnold. One of his competitors was Frank Zane. I liked Frank and he was to write a book on his life. So when it came out I went to consume every word. To my complete disappointment Frank would make a statement and then qoute all of the professional & scientific references to his statement-like a legal brief of someone trying to cover their butt.
Anyway there are lots of maps out there but it would be more interesting to hear if someone went exploring with one and got their shoes dirty, then told us all about it.
I just wanted to hear from Frank not all this other reference stuff. Is there a person in all of this? There is enough technical jargon for me at work.
Regarding Magic. I like to look at magic as a romantic. Like the dance of life, the music that fills the soul. To me this is magical stuff.
The Magic you speak of, I have had the honor to have met 2 such people that stripped my reality and made me think in different terms. They scared the living bejeezus out of me somedays and still showed that love ruled.
I disagree that the burden of proof is on the Magician. It is they that control whether or not they demonstrate their power. That old saying of "when the student is ready the teacher will appear". Why would a true Yogi or the like want to show off? If you sincerely wanted to learn, most would certainly be able to detect this and willingly teach you.
It also takes alot of energy to do such things so why demonstrate it and waste the time and energy when it could be used for more constructive things?
Maybe I just wanted to hear some real life experience from a real person that tried something to see if it would deliver as promised. If they fell on their face did they try to figure it out and make it work? Are they a survivor personality?
What can I learn from this person's experience? The arm chair quarterbacks can sit there and throw stones but let's put them on the field and see what happens. You have to think very differently then.
All the best to you and thanks for hearing me out.
JD
