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This is a weird question. I have been involved with a forum whose main members are psychics. I am intuitive but not psychic.
When you are friends with psychics, they are always in your "space", seemingly by your permission, but they never go away and are always "reading" you.

*I am wondering if this constant energy from a several psychics at once interferes with SFQ practice?*

I have just left that forum as a member, and feel my own space again, without the extra energy. I have not done a SFQ practice yet, so I will know this soon, but would like an opinion so I do not have to be "checking myself".

I am also asking if at Level 2, detecting blockages involves intuition/psychic development, and if overall, SFQ develops this area.

My experience thus far in Level 1 is wonderful, BUT I have been experiencing much angst and weepiness. I know that SFQ can have that effect. But I am feeling like many rocks are being overturned and dark caves are getting Light sent in.

Healing is also a Spiritual Journey so I am wondering if this is part of SFQ or if it is energy interference. I have Lupus which is more than a physical illness; like all illnesses, but especially with auto immune types there is a deep emotional element . This adds to my question a of experience.

I hope this is not too weird!...

Thanks for your answer!

Hi Miriam;

Having had a similiar experience with Psychics I know that it is much easier for them to read others than take the time to read themselves. I think this is also an indication of their energy level. Looking inside one's self takes alot more energy than looking outside oneself.

If you consider that energy from several psychics can bother you, it might but only because you believe it to be so. You might treat it as "extra energy" and either find a use for it or send it back to the Universe.

As Master Lin and many of his students do long distance healings I would say that most anyone has a capability to do something long distance such as "reading you". Although the energy level of the person doing it would determine how effective it is.

For some reason I always think of Sharks when it comes this type of thing. When sharks are out in open water they know who the biggest one is without seeing it and know exactly where it is. When it comes into their area all the other sharks give up their territory until the big boy has moved on.

How they know this could be compared to intuition or psychic awareness. It was said something similiar about Qigong Masters or Native Medicine Men or Kahuna's when another of their type stepped into their territory without permission, they knew instantly. Usually it signalled a challenge.

I would say that yes, level 2 is a start to developing the intuition and psychic side of things. The more you work with it the more results you would probably experience. I think that Master Lin makes this alot simplier than it might appear on the surface. As we are all energy beings then we are not limited except as to our own considerations. Shawn can probably explain this better.

If you are experiencing some upheaval with the execises maybe you could try doing the Small Universe Meditation for a few months and see if most all of that would clear up for you.

Hope that Helps

Jeff

Thank you Jeff for your reply! We are on the same page here.

As I was waiting for an answer, I had to take some action. So let me add to your thoughts.

What I did was to send up energy shields around me. That cut off their access to my field.
My space became peaceful again.

I did my Active exercise with the CD rather than the DVD for the first time, and it was the best yet. The energy really flowed for me, and I felt just wonderful. I particularly enjoyed Harmony with the Universe and felt so graceful!

I also did Small Universe(I try to do this a couple of times a week). I love when Master Lin says~Have a Hoppy Day, and~ in the Self Concentration~
You are Happy..............Forever.
I just get a tear in my eye...

I had no angst but much peace and joy.

So this is my thinking: These psychics weren't merely in my space to read me.
They are Psychic Energy Vampires. Have you have heard of that? People who place hooks in you and suck energy. Like the plugs in people in the movie "The Matrix", except it is etheric. So as I am doing SFQ and working to *balance* my energy, they are siphoning it off. That would hurt my Being, both etherically and physically.

It wasn't *extra* energy to send back to the Universe; it was being taken *from* me.
Jeff, this isn't in my mind...this really happens. I did detect it earlier, before I started SFQ, but didn't see it clearly enough at the time. I wrote to a friend that "something was wrong". I was having waking thoughts in the morning ~ I am in a Nightmare.

When I cut off their feeding fest, the energy could move freely and there was balance. A tear in the eye and a sigh perhaps, but not the deep pain, I was experiencing...like a great loss....(of the energy I had worked to bring into me).

My body has stopped aching too, though that could be just from the increased practice; but it could be because the Qi is now going into my body to heal me, instead of into someone else's field.

All is well now. No more psychics for me! And I figure as I continue with SFQ I will strengthen my entire field so that this sort of thing will not be drawn to me again.
I credit SFQ for making me strong enough to throw up a solid shield of protection, and for healing me enough so that I was not damaged in any way from the incident.
I am so grateful that I insisted on purchasing the program after having put it off for months. It has been a great asset to me.

I told you it was a weird question! and situation!
Now this is in the records for anyone else to access.
I thank you for you answer!

Hi Miriam;

I believe what you say regarding getting the energy sucked out of you. It is not so weird as many people have experienced this.

In Level 2 Master Lin gives a Hand Mudra that helps prevent others from stealing your energy, it has been invaluable to me on many occasions.

In my earlier days of training my 1st teacher and I talked about this and he recommended doing daily breathing exercises which eventually made me strong enough that this was no longer a problem for me most of the time.

In SFQ, my opinion is that it is much more effective at raising your energy level much faster and when you hit that right level, these things will cease to be a bother to you.

As in the shark story above, you will become a big shark and pretty much get to go where you want. They give you the space and no one can take your energy. (Unless you're feeling foolish enough to take on a larger shark who may be gracious enough to teach you otherwise)

At some point in your developement (when you are strong enough) you may want to go back and visit your Vampire friends to forgive them and maybe say thanks for the motivation.

Have a Happy Day

Jeff

Hi Jeff! I'm glad you understand!

I am looking forward to learning Level 2 in the near future...it sounds like there are many valuable lessons to be gained. I sure would like to stop finding myself in these types of situations! DUH DUH~ DUH DUH~DUH DUH...(that is suppose to be the JAWS theme ;> )

I actually have already forgiven my Vampire friends in my heart...and sent them healing energy(I have my own way of doing that right now)! Only want to do that once or they might reconnect to me. I would like them to bust out of the need to steal other's energy and play nice.

And at some point it would be a good thing to actually be in contact with them to thank them. This has been educational and insightful for me on many levels. Thanks for that advice.

SFQ has already begun to be healing to me in such a short time. I am beginning to feel relieved of some of my burdens, a weight that is being lifted. And it can only continue to get better!

Ain't Life Grand?!!

Thanks again! And you also....Have a Happy Day!

miriam, here's my two cents...

The best way to rid of psychic vampires is send them love energy (they can't stand it and leave, over time they come less and less, until after a while they rarely ever bother you...they never completely go away --- they always try to get you when you are emotionally 'down'. Trust me, I know from experience. These thing are merely entities of conciousness that draw energy of negetive emotions. These spirit forms or not "evil" they are just a stream of energy that draw upon another source, over a period of time, they may actually realize that they can't bother you anymore and move on to someone with a lower vibrational rate.

A good excersise to try is:

While breathing in and out, concentrate your mind on your heart.

Think in your heart "I know choose tranquility and inner peace."

Then after a few moments imagine a white light surround you, or better yet imagine you are standing or sitting in a shower of golden light (the light of the pureset, tranquil emotions)... these emotions are poured down from the higher dimensions of light and enter your head when you breath in, then as you breathe out push the energy down through your body... pushing any denser energies such as blockages or negetive emotions down through your feet...

Ask your master to send energy to protect you from any negetive energy..

Once you feel all denser energy out of the body, (you will feel lighter).

Begin to breathe energy into the heart then as you exhale, imagine any blockages in your heart transform into pure love energy and harden around your aura... This will teach you two things.... 1, how to transform negetive energy into a positive energy, but also how to make a sheild of positive energy that protects you from any negetivitiy... you actually won't need to do the hand mudra after practicing this over time... I used to do the hand mudra in level 2 alot, but then I found I began to rely on it whenever I got nervous.... now I just mentally relax everywhere I go.

Any time you feel that your energy is being effected you can think "Nothing can affect MY energy". then go into a relaxed state of mind, pretend you are doing qigong and noone is watching - then whatever is trying to affect you, will leave you alone. Over time, noone will be able to affect your perfect calm state of mind.


I hope this helps my friend,
-Zakyrus

Thanks for your 2 cents Zakyrus... that is another way to handle the situation!

It really is a matter of having your energy level higher than the person who wants your energy can reach, and detaching the "hooks" from one's field~~and keeping them detached.

A further preventative is to grow in certainty and confidence. As you say, they flock to people who feel down, or just uncertain. That is how the several people that I have encountered over my life have gotten hooks into me: I felt the need to rely on their so called 'greater insight'. These sort of people were false spiritual guides, gaining their power from other's energy.
Should have known better, because I could sense the "salivation" if you will...and eventually did break away. The problem was maintaining my own personal auric strength.

This is one of the beauties of SFQ I am experiencing already~ as you move the energies and heal and strengthen the etheric, mental, emotional and physical bodies, your confidence just naturally gets stronger. Then there is no "crack" to get into to siphon off your energy; you are not even seen as prey and won't be drawn nor draw those types to yourself.!

The methods you are describing may be a good compliment for SFQ practice. I think the effects you describe are built into the Small Universe meditation and part of the purpose of the levels of SFQ practice. Keeping the aura strong and clear and full of love will prevent being seen as possible "dinner" for those who cannot maintain their own energy levels!

Thank you for your input! ;>

You are very welcome. I would not want to see anyone being taken advantange of from unwanted visitors...
Most of the "excercises" I come up with are just slight variations of the Spring Forest techniques... Openening the heart is more of a "Level 2" thing(great healing power comes from the heart center), but I think everyone should open their hearts (couldn't hurt right?) so I figured I would post it here.

You are right, when you choose to feel only peaceful(higher) emotions, you eventually begin to radiate those emotions everywhere you go. Less and less will any outside force be able to affect you, and more and more will your energy begin to affect everything around you (in a loving positive way of course!)

Aloha miriam,

I responded to your email to Master Lin, but thought I'd check what else was posted after the first three posts you shard in it.

Nice Hawaiian metaphor Jeff. You some Akamai! - I'm mentally adapting it to some Moke coming across da street wen take my fruit snocone!"

As for people who, in whatever training they come from, look to absorb energy from another, Chunyi doesn't stress shielding one's self, etc. As you may find in other modalities, which almost sets their students up to be worry about who might be taking their energy. If you look at it from Level Two's perspective, coming from fear drains your kidney's - isn't that what they are trying to protect? It's similar to students during a Level Two class getting all worried about pointing sword fingers at others, or others not being careful and point them at them. We can get so used to being careful and doing things "right," rather than listening to what Chunyi is actually saying (P.S. pointing sword fingers at the heart from the front of the body doesn't hurt it. The heart just shifts it's energy so it doesn't, but his it can make opening and clearing the heart during your healing work a little tougher)

He's not saying people aren't out there trying to get energy from others, it's rare (unless you hang out with that type of group), but one doesn't need to go into fear about it - If one takes time to re-listen to what he talks about in Level One, not the technique discussions, but the philosophy, it will make sense.

A similar thing happened a long time ago in one of his Level Four retreats. This was back at one of his first Level Four retreats when my wife noticed a couple's energy that didn't quite "fit" the rest of the group and during the class felt someone trying to take energy from her kidneys. She looked up at Chunyi to make sure he was aware of it, and he was. Chunyi will tell the story of how their eyes would change colors as they were absorbing energy from him and other specific people in the room. It was either the next day or the day afterwards that they both came up to him and shared and apologized about what the were doing. They said that even with the energy they were taking, they weren't feeling better - they were feeling sicker and sicker and needed help. Chunyi explained that what they were doing was taking energy - not purified energy, but blockages, and anything else that the body was willing to release. (think of a water pump with a hose stuck into a lake. You'll get water...and frogs, and bugs, and mold, and gravel, and, and... in the end, Chunyi helped them start healing and they became very good students and people.

Jeff's mudra reference from Level Two is a simple option, but when taught, Chunyi talks about it helping conserve energy when you're stuck in the cold, or assisting in other situations where you find yourself being draining energetically, and using it to protect their energy in other situations, but not in the "look out for this or that because it or they may be talking you're energy!" More like - If something like that does show up, okay, here is something easy to do without skipping a beat.

I like the confidence perspective you bring up Zakryus, but seeing that people are here to learn Spring Forest Qigong and can get confused whether something someone posts is actually what Chunyi teaches just because it's put out there with confidence... let's keep it to that and keep it simple, use our consciousness, non-fear based (no shields needed), and go into the emptiness. Okay for you miriam?

If you spend some time reading old posts by a member named gallen, you'll find that even with his pretty deep background in other qigong forms, the martial arts, and native American modalities, he shared examples from them to clarify the concepts Chunyi teaches in SFQ regarding whatever the post was about. Not that Spring Forest is the end al of end alls when it comes to healing and qigong, but in 95% of the time we can get what we need by either just doing the exercises, mediations, and life philosophy, or listen again to what we think we've already heard Chunyi say in the Level One home study course - rather than look for a different technique.

Chunyi would say to you miriam "Oh, you have some friends that need more energy?" (big loving smile on his face) "Okay, just relax and say the password like this - I am in the Universe, the Universe is in my body, you are in my body, the more you take, the more I receive, thank you very much."

No shields, no worries. Connecting with the universe you tap/are unlimited energy. They want some, great, take some. It's the same principle and reason you don't lose energy, but have more after doing a healing session as taught in Level Two rather being wiped after working on a just a couple people.


Much Love,

Shawn

Dear Shawn~~ Thank you for your answer and the extended one in the forum!
Thank you, Jeff and Zak, for such caring input. I am glad I asked this question; it seems to be something that folks are concerned about!

I have had to take a couple of days to mull over your answer as it is deeper than it first appears.

What I came to is that I needed to shift my perspective on life!
Yes, I had always been taught to 'protect myself' when sensing any invasion into my space. I am around psychics and intuitives, healers, and sensitives quite a bit(who else could understand what we feel much of the time?). And there is much concern about energy stealers and the need to protect oneself and learning shielding methods.

This is a Western approach~ even in the movies, the depiction of the martial arts it is a very defensive/offensive picture.

But there is so much more to it than opening a can of "woop-ass" on your assailant.

What I discovered in contemplating Master Lin's advice is that SFQ is much more than a "practice" to achieve health and well-being and to assist others in their healing.

It is actually a Way of Life and change in Heart ! It is truly embracing "I am in the Universe". The discussion, thus far, to me, was pointing out ways to strengthen one's aura and confidence; to love one's enemy, etc...and certainly these are important elements that occur in the SFQ practice.

But I heard for myself words and attitudes of "protection" and shielding. If I practice SFQ enough I will be able to "ward off" this type of person...

Master Lin is saying "forget it!"; don't shield, move the energy as a way of BEING and let it be! If someone wants energy, give it freely; it will only serve you and them. Or not~~ as in the story you shared. ;>

It gives a much needed new understanding to the abused words of one of the great Teachers Yeshua Emmanuel(Jesus):
"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you." (Luke 6:27-31.)

This is such a weight to be taken off of me. I can shed the defensive mode of thinking that I have been a part of for several decades(even as it would be said, "we are all One...). Perhaps not overnight! But a different door has been opened with the words:

“I am in the Universe, the Universe is in my body, you are in my body, the more energy you take, the more I receive, thank you very much.”

Thank you so much Shawn, for these words of Master Lin's...they are very valuable to me!

much Love~~Miriam

PS~ I am going to post this letter on the forum as well.