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Hi all, (especially Alex)

What can be recommended when a person is phobic of himself? I've been doubting I might be such a person, quite a while now already. It sort of "clicks" in place.

But, since this kind of things are not easy to handle, I have said nothing to anuone. Or written. It feels sort of too embarrasing to admit something like this. Or even doubt. Especially because this is the very example Richard Bandler uses to demonstrate how there can be phobias that cannot be cured with the NLP phobia cure (which btw is one of my favourites!). Admitting this feels like I want to make myself too special by having this kind of difficult problem.

But, again, I have come to the conclusion it's time to change it. How ever embarrasing it might be.

To descrobe some things I feel: I feel very uncomfortable when looking myself fromn the outside, Seeing photos of myself is frightening. Hearing myself is embarrasing. Knowing that I exist is sort of "wrong". Oh my. So I'm stuck inside myself and can take only short glances from outside. Consumes enormous amounts of energy!

It's also difficukt to be inside me, that is, fully associated. I'm sort of trying to be in between os associated and dissociated, which, as far as I understand, is extremely difficult. But somehow I seem to manage.

Anyway, I got to go. Just had to get this out of my system.

[He].2s2.2p4

BTW, I have started using SA a week ago. It may be that I would not have been able to admit the fact to myself without SA.

Yesterday after writing the message above I noticed a fera starting to rise. Apparently I have some methods to deal with it, but the methods only suppress it, I'm not yet able to get rid of the fear.

One more thing is apparent: There is something else involved. I don't know what. I just know I'm missing something. And it may well be that the methods I use to cope are the ones that prevent me from seeing the whole picture. It might even be that there is no problem left anymore, only the defences. Who konows?

Anyway, if anyone wants to help me, I suggest abandon all your presuppositions. Trust your instinct. Forget what you have learned from yoruself and other people, I'm not them. Use your intuition to the fullest. Write whatever comes to mind, don't edit! How weird it may be.

[He].2s2.2p4

I was thinking about the Genius Mind DVD it has some very good technology such as Brain Gym. And one program that I just ordered was The Power of Shamanic Healing and as I keep investigating this program I feel that you also can benifit from this. http://www.nightingale.com/p~Product~Power_Shamanic_Healing.asp

Thanks Kevin,

I don't have the Genius Mind DVD, but I've done Brain Gym from a book. Maybe it's different learned from a DVD or ive seminar. I find the exercises refreshing during work days.

Shamanic healing certainly, sounds different. And hoistic. Which is certainly what I need. Let's see if my OTC mind feels I can use it. ;-)

[He].2s2.2p4

Not liking to hear one's own voice or see a photo of oneself I've yet to meet someone who doesn't make a fuss about that. The image of ourselves in our mind is never the one we have of ourselves when we see a photo or hear our voices so the majority avoid it like a phobia.

There is a problem though with your idea of looking from the outside at yourself. Try as you might your point of view will always be from within you and what you perceive as outside is a projection of what comes from within you. Outside or inside it's your creation. Fear it, accept it or realise it's a creation of your inner self and you can change it.

FEAR;

Fear is False Emotions Appearing Real. And to quote from the movie the Princess Diary. Courage is not the absence of Fear it's doing what is more important.

Alex

Hi Alex,

I don't know what to make of your answer. You mostly reacted to the words that form the message. Not the phenomenon itself. There is something lying behind all this!!! I need help and support to be able to deal with them! That's why I asked anyone who wants to help me to to abandon their presuppositions. Be open and curious!! Especially you, Alex. I'm quite sure you can help me if you let your OTC mind do the helping. Your conscious mind knows too much stuff about other people and yourself, so it's views and attitudes are limited.

I have written numerous messages in this forum, you must have some kind of idea how my mind works. Use that knowledge.

I remember vita-man being closest to understanding what makes me tick when he wrote these words "go away a little closer". Then he wrote he didn't know why he wrote these exact words!! They touched me deeply.

Alex, you can go further. You can help me. Just do it.

The words I'm able to write don't frighten me anymore. It's something else. Maybe there is no word for it.

[He].2s2.2p4

Why you think you need fixing? and why do you want to give your power away to other peoples OTC?

When are you just going to be who you are and be amazed at the game you've chosen to play in the physical reality?

I know you know I know the answer. You must also know that I won't post it on a public forum.

Alex

Why do I think I need fixing? Certainly I'm not going to write it here. I don't want to make those things any more stronger than tehy are now by writing them here.

The power was given to other people a long time ago.

When am I going to be me? No, I don't know yet. But I know I have decided, this time I'm not going to give up.

But, here I'm again just writing answers to your questions. Just trying to plese everybody.

Anyway, I know there is not only one answer. There are two. At least.

Alex, write me a private message.

[He].2s2.2p4

Edit. I don't know you know the answer. Actually, it's not an answer, it's just help and support. And I know you can give it to me.

Ironically there is just one answer.

It doesn't matter.

The distant star is as near as it is far and the imagination can fit the world in a thimble. and that's where it all comes from. The imagination.

Stand outside sometime and look at the stars (don't know if you can see them in your city I can) How can anything be that important? ultimately it doesn't matter because in the scheme of things everything just is.

Or in the words of Stuart Wilde... I am what I am and what I am is beautiful.

Alex

I often used to ponder such questions in my mind also. And one day a friend of mine wanted to purchase this song. And I was told that the song was a sheet of music left behind in a church with no author. Maybe it was left by God for the world to know. The song is beautiful with many powerful truths. You can as I read the words of the lyrics or listen to the song and meditate the meaning for you. The song is.



Desiderata
Les Crane

- Reached #8 in 1971

Desiderata. Desiderata. Desiderata.
Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible without surrender,
Be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others -
Even the dull and ignorant, they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons - they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter,
For always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your own career -
However humble, it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs,
for the world is full of trickery.
But let this not blind you to what virtue there is.
Many persons strive for high ideals,
and everywhere life is full of heroism.
Be yourself.
Especially do not feign affection, neither be cynical about love.
For in the face of all aridity and disenchantment,
It is as perenial as the grass.
Take kindly the council of the years,
Gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune,
But do not distress yourself with imaginings -
Many fears are borne of fatigue and loneliness.
Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself.

You are a child of the universe.
No less than the trees and the stars, you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you,
No doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive him to be.
And whatever your labors and aspirations,
in the noisy confusion of life,
Keep peace with your soul.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams,
it is still a beautiful world.
Be careful. Strive to be happy.