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e.g.: I read a book about persuasion and one of the trigger words I noted was "first impression".
So I asked: "How can I make an excellent first impression?"
In a conversation with a person I would await a more or less vast explanation.
Lets move away from an assumption that you need to know how first... wouldn't it make sense to ask is first impression important? Why does the author think yes or not? What creates a good first impression and perhaps what creates a bad one. Does the author offer any suggestions useful to me as to how I might create a good first impression and are there any limits where the suggestion might not work?
As you can see when I form a question it doesn't fit a limiting mould. If I phrase it it's something like what has the author got to say about first impressions. I keep it fluid to see what the author can tell me. It's like having a conversation. What can you tell me about .... that is useful to me... for my purpose of... (so that I can). If it doesn't suit my purpose it's already redundant for the use of my time. It's still in the book and my head for later if it becomes relevant then so. I move on. To see what the author has to say.
Like any lecturer they are just going to say it their way. You will be thinking well why is this important, how is it relevant, how can I use it, do I even want to use it and if not do I need to spend the time bringing it to conscious awareness right now?
It's not easy to overcome passive reading and then one can overcome it quickly by deliberately being proactive by mind mapping. I always think it's a great idea to mind map the first 12 or so books you use PhotoReading on. Whether for pleasure or studying. It moves the mind to actively thinking about what you want from the book so you can use the information in your life.
Drawing the mind map after each activation layer also helps you to plot your progress. You can acknowledge your results better. It's easy to dismiss the first couple of activation however in reality in the first 20 minutes with passive reading you'd still be in the first to 3rd chapter of the book. How much do you know at that point? Next to nothing and yet you don't go booting yourself as a failure because you still have 17 to 28 chapters to go.
So record what you get on your mind map. Check with your purpose change it if you discover the author has interesting information on a topic you didn't think of but is important to your overall purpose that's a bonus isn't it?
Just keep working with the book until it gels. I calculate for most average readers working with a 200 to 300 page book need to do no less than 4 20-minute activation layers and possibly as many as 6 or even 8 to get the book to fully gel in the beginning. Work it out, that's about 2 hours 40 minutes. The same book would normally take them 6 to 12 hours. So often the beginning PhotoReader short changes themselves by quitting too soon. Yep the first layers don't feel like you're getting much if anything.
If you search the forum you'll find my experiment where I gave a detailed report of my experience with a number of activation layers. My user name was AlexK
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Lets move away from an assumption that you need to know how first... wouldn't it make sense to ask is first impression important? Why does the author think yes or not? What creates a good first impression and perhaps what creates a bad one. Does the author offer any suggestions useful to me as to how I might create a good first impression and are there any limits where the suggestion might not work?
I asked "how" first because from my own experience I know that the first impression is important.
Conversing with a book . . . after Matt's suggestion to see it as a conversation with the author I had made a major improvement in understanding PR but in the last two days when I activated books there was always a voice in my head that said: "Conversing with a book? Are you crazy? You can't converse with a book. It's lifeless. Just black ink on paper."
How do I recognize that the author doesn't have the information I want?
If I have to superread the whole book or at least a chapter every time the advantage of PR to conventional reading will become irrelevant.
I read that some experienced PRers are able to ask themselve a question and then their sub-con leads them to exactly the line in the book that answers their question.
But I assume that as long as my mind is not used to PR I won't be able to do this.
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It's not easy to overcome passive reading and then one can overcome it quickly by deliberately being proactive by mind mapping. I always think it's a great idea to mind map the first 12 or so books you use PhotoReading on. Whether for pleasure or studying. It moves the mind to actively thinking about what you want from the book so you can use the information in your life.
You are right.
Basically every step of PR demands you to be active.
I've read that the brain prefers to work in routines as they are known to it and need less energy to process. So it makes it hard to go against the routines, in the case of PR to overcome the learned laziness.
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Just keep working with the book until it gels. I calculate for most average readers working with a 200 to 300 page book need to do no less than 4 20-minute activation layers and possibly as many as 6 or even 8 to get the book to fully gel in the beginning. Work it out, that's about 2 hours 40 minutes. The same book would normally take them 6 to 12 hours.
This is an important point.
Since I read the PR book I am totally impatient. I want to get all the information of a book in 10 to 20 minutes. I completely ignore the fact that, if I read a 300-page book conventionally it takes about 6 hours.
On the other hand for the first three steps of PR I need approximately 15, maybe 20 minutes. Depends on how long I need to relax.
If I add this to your 2 hours 40 minutes I would need only half the time as usually with a much higher comprehension due to the active and purposeful approach to the book.
But going multiple times through a book . . . I know that I will be faster with PR but my mind tells me that I will be slower. It seems that it takes the time I would need to read a book conventionally with the number of activation layers and then comes to the result that I need 6 to 8 times more time to get the information out of the book.
One should think that your brain works for you. It does but sometimes you have to constantly force it to do so.
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So often the beginning PhotoReader short changes themselves by quitting too soon.
I won't. But I have to be more patient.
At the beginning I had the mind-set: "I have read the PR book and now it's my brains job to use the system."
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Yep the first layers don't feel like you're getting much if anything.
Good to know.
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If you search the forum you'll find my experiment where I gave a detailed report of my experience with a number of activation layers. My user name was AlexK.
I'll read it.
I have to thank you again for taking the time and being responsive to my questions. You probably answered questions about every step of PR dozens of times.
I want you to know that I appreciate your effort and patience.
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I asked "how" first because from my own experience I know that the first impression is important.
How isn't the only precision question. What about the other 5 Ws?
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Conversing with a book . . . after Matt's suggestion to see it as a conversation with the author I had made a major improvement in understanding PR but in the last two days when I activated books there was always a voice in my head that said: "Conversing with a book? Are you crazy? You can't converse with a book. It's lifeless. Just black ink on paper."
As a writer ... I'm not sure if it's disappointing or insulting to think that the message I, as an author want to impart, are perceived as lifeless and nothing more black pixels on a white screen. I regret that an author cannot write a book solely with your conversation in mind. We have to consider those who will actually read the message. And accept not all of our message might be read. But to be informed that our legacy is nothing more than "lifeless black ink" is sad.
One wonders why we should write. Fortunately there are those readers who can remember that there was a human who wrote what they are reading and are able to converse with the author, despite the fact that they may not have been the one to ask the questions that the author is answering in the first place
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How do I recognize that the author doesn't have the information I want?
If I have to superread the whole book or at least a chapter every time the advantage of PR to conventional reading will become irrelevant.
Not true. I've known people to reread chapters and sentences 5 to 10 times using conventional reading. The get stuck in one area like a wheel in a rut. Moving past to superread more of the passage helps you to find areas where the author has repeated the explanation in a different way.
Rephrase the question.
Isn't if funny how people who, when they realise that the person who doesn't understand the language very well, start SHOUTING? The same question over and over. Until someone else steps in and asks or explains in a different way?
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I read that some experienced PRers are able to ask themselve a question and then their sub-con leads them to exactly the line in the book that answers their question.
Yes I've been caught doing that often in my seminars. It is also a case of recognising that you have the answer. Beginners often dismiss it.
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But I assume that as long as my mind is not used to PR I won't be able to do this.
Wow. That's a self imposed limitation. Do you really want to live by that. Like I said be more flexible and notice more what you are getting.
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Alex wrote.. It's not easy to overcome....
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You are right.
Basically every step of PR demands you to be active.
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I've read that the brain prefers to work in routines as they are known to it and need less energy to process.
Incorrect, it doesn't take less energy to process routines. It's actually easier and faster using PhotoReading and the five steps that create the system. However it's Habits not the amount of time or energy something takes that keep people in a rut even when there are obvious better options. Habits can be productive or unproductive. Just because you read a book from beginning to end in the traditional fashion does not mean you've done anything productive with your time. If all the information that you need in the present moment can be obtained from a book in 10 minutes or less it's unproductive to spend 8 to 12 hours reading it from beginning to end. The way we learned to read in primary or elementary school is great for learning to read. Yet it is for an adult reader an unproductive habit. It would be perfect if every 13 year old started learned to PhotoRead in their first year of high school because that is when they are ready to remove the training wheels they had for learning to read.
Habits;
Why do people go back to re-read a sentence because they read it wrong?
Who told them they read it wrong? Their self.
Who knows they read it wrong? They do. No one else is in their head with them so it can only be their self.
Who knows already knows what the correct passage says? They do. Because to know it is wrong they must have recognised the passage the right way first.
So why do they go back and re-read it? Habit.
With PhotoReading you're developing a new strategy for reading. Habits like re-reading passages prove that you already have the cues for recognition working.
So just pay attention, be flexible.
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So it makes it hard to go against the routines, in the case of PR to overcome the learned laziness.
The way to break a habit is to create a new one. Yes it takes about 21 days.
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Alex wrote Just keep working with the book until it gels...
This is an important point.
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Since I read the PR book I am totally impatient. I want to get all the information of a book in 10 to 20 minutes. I completely ignore the fact that, if I read a 300-page book conventionally it takes about 6 hours.
Would you run in a 50k marathon tomorrow and expect to lead the pack, just because you bought running shoes yesterday?
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On the other hand for the first three steps of PR I need approximately 15, maybe 20 minutes. Depends on how long I need to relax.
Wasting time mate. It takes 2 to 5 minutes for a beginner and 30 seconds or just doing the prepare (ideal state and purpose) along with a couple of deep breaths for the experienced.
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If I add this to your 2 hours 40 minutes I would need only half the time as usually with a much higher comprehension due to the active and purposeful approach to the book.
Yep the comprehension is higher. People often re-read chapters and even whole books because their comprehension is poor. Add that time to traditional reading and you might only be spending 1/5th the time with PhotoReading the time.
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But going multiple times through a book . . . I know that I will be faster with PR but my mind tells me that I will be slower.
Isn't it amazing how the mind can defy logic? Earlier you were saying you wanted to get it done in 20 minutes. You know you can get books done in 5 to 20 minutes? - Just depends on your purpose for reading the book. 
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t seems that it takes the time I would need to read a book conventionally with the number of activation layers and then comes to the result that I need 6 to 8 times more time to get the information out of the book.
Since most people don't sit and read non-fiction books in one sitting. Doing it in layers with a purpose in mind isn't really any different.
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One should think that your brain works for you. It does but sometimes you have to constantly force it to do so.
It works perfectly for you. It is as you believe. Just notice your self talk and if you see what I do you'll see why you are having problems.
You're simply wanting to short cut the steps and are a tad inflexible because all you need to do is follow the steps. Like when you play tennis. You cannot wait on one side of the court for the ball to come to you. You have to move to where the ball is. The game has a routine.
If you're not a tennis fan think of a video game. Amazing how much time gamers will spend starting over the same level just to beat it to get to the next level. But that's Flexibility. If you just turn on the game and let your avatar stand there and wait for the play to come at you there's no point in playing.
Do the Star of Wonder exercise again and if you're learning from the book alone check that you haven't made rules where there are none.
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So often the beginning PhotoReader short changes themselves by quitting too soon.
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I won't. But I have to be more patient.
At the beginning I had the mind-set: "I have read the PR book and now it's my brains job to use the system."
A rule that you created that your "brain" doesn't agree with. It wants the whole of you to be part of the process.
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Yep the first layers don't feel like you're getting much if anything.
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Good to know.
Glad you appreciate that. Most people are not even into the third chapter of a book in the same time of a first activation layer.
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Alex Wrote If you search the forum you'll find my experiment where I gave a detailed report of my experience with a number of activation layers. My user name was AlexK.
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I'll read it.
Please do. You'll notice I went through the experience and wonder of being a beginner again in that challenge. What it took for me to get through to the end of the book.
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I have to thank you again for taking the time and being responsive to my questions. You probably answered questions about every step of PR dozens of times.
If only it were so few  I think I've rewritten the book about 4 times 
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I want you to know that I appreciate your effort and patience.
Thank you. It's nice to be told from time to time.
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Conversing with a book . . . after Matt's suggestion to see it as a conversation with the author I had made a major improvement in understanding PR but in the last two days when I activated books there was always a voice in my head that said: "Conversing with a book? Are you crazy? You can't converse with a book. It's lifeless. Just black ink on paper."
As a writer ... I'm not sure if it's disappointing or insulting ... to be informed that our legacy is nothing more than "lifeless black ink" is sad.
One wonders why we should write . . . in the first place.
I'm sorry.
I didn't want to hurt your feelings, Alex.
Before PR I never thought about the person who wrote the book (novel) I read. Independent of how I liked the story. For me the printed letters were just the medium one used to transfer his story into an other persons mind.
I recognize the paradox in my statement, but this was my mindset.
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But I assume that as long as my mind is not used to PR I won't be able to do this.
Wow. That's a self imposed limitation. Do you really want to live by that. Like I said be more flexible and notice more what you are getting.
Later in your comment you say yourself that it takes about 21 days to create a new habit. Isn't this also a new habit or part of the new habit the brain has to learn?
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It would be perfect if every 13 year old started learned to PhotoRead in their first year of high school because that is when they are ready to remove the training wheels they had for learning to read.
I don't know much about the history of school but I think there was little improvement in the teaching methods in the last centuries.Except that the teachers are not allowed to physically punish their pupils anymore, they teach the same way as centuries ago.
If you want the teachers to teach a new way to extract informations of a book they will have to learn it too. But before there will be commissions and try-outs at a few selected schools.
To get PR taught in school a lot of people, from politicians down to the teachers, will have to overthink their own habitual approach to reading, usually used for 30+ years. Not to forget the parents ("What was good enough for me, is good enough for my child.")
Just think about the potential of PR.
If 13-year old children would be able to PR they would be able to make their high school diploma with 14 or 15.
If you think more about it, PR would force a revolution of the whole school system.
Otherwise, if I think about the comments at Amazon about the PR book . . . how many people would be able to understand PR, accept that PR works and be able to use PR themselves?
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On the other hand for the first three steps of PR I need approximately 15, maybe 20 minutes. Depends on how long I need to relax.
Wasting time mate. It takes 2 to 5 minutes for a beginner and 30 seconds or just doing the prepare (ideal state and purpose) along with a couple of deep breaths for the experienced.
2 to 5 minutes for all three steps together?
The problem with relaxation is that when I get into the ALS I suddenly hear my heart beat which I usually don't recognize. My pulse also goes up to about 90 beats/second.
I think it's mentally. I probably make myself too much pressure.
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But going multiple times through a book . . . I know that I will be faster with PR but my mind tells me that I will be slower.
Isn't it amazing how the mind can defy logic? Earlier you were saying you wanted to get it done in 20 minutes. You know you can get books done in 5 to 20 minutes? - Just depends on your purpose for reading the book.
In an other thread I read that Pete Bisonette(?) of LSC is able to do this. He said that he recommends for beginners to PR 3 to 10 books a day for two to three months. So it's just a matter of practice.
The problem is that it seems impossible to me to find so many books that really interest me. I'm very picky if it comes to selecting books to read. The advantage is that I seldom read boring, crappy or useless books. The disadvantage is that I read less than I would like to.
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One should think that your brain works for you. It does but sometimes you have to constantly force it to do so.
It works perfectly for you. It is as you believe.
Could be taken right from my NLP workbook.
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You're simply wanting to short cut the steps and are a tad inflexible because all you need to do is follow the steps.
You are right.
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I'll read it.
Please do. You'll notice I went through the experience and wonder of being a beginner again in that challenge. What it took for me to get through to the end of the book.
I read your thread and have to say it's very interesting. Exactly what I needed. Thank you for the recommendation.
For the third time I have to thank you for you responsiveness.
I promise to be a more active and patient PR student now so that I'm able to PR before you have rewritten the PR book a fifth time for me alone. 
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Hello again,
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Conversing with a book . . . after Matt's suggestion to see it as a conversation with the author I had made a major improvement in understanding PR but in the last two days when I activated books there was always a voice in my head that said: "Conversing with a book? Are you crazy? You can't converse with a book. It's lifeless. Just black ink on paper."
As a writer ... I'm not sure if it's disappointing or insulting ... to be informed that our legacy is nothing more than "lifeless black ink" is sad.
One wonders why we should write . . . in the first place.
I'm sorry.
I didn't want to hurt your feelings, Alex.
Before PR I never thought about the person who wrote the book (novel) I read. Independent of how I liked the story. For me the printed letters were just the medium one used to transfer his story into an other persons mind.
I recognize the paradox in my statement, but this was my mindset.
Yet the ink is not lifeless or you wouldn't be interested in reading it
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But I assume that as long as my mind is not used to PR I won't be able to do this.
Wow. That's a self imposed limitation. Do you really want to live by that. Like I said be more flexible and notice more what you are getting.
Later in your comment you say yourself that it takes about 21 days to create a new habit. Isn't this also a new habit or part of the new habit the brain has to learn?
Yep, and do you really want to build on that negative line of thought for 21 days?
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It would be perfect if every 13 year old started learned to PhotoRead in their first year of high school because that is when they are ready to remove the training wheels they had for learning to read.
I don't know much about the history of school but I think there was little improvement in the teaching methods in the last centuries.Except that the teachers are not allowed to physically punish their pupils anymore, they teach the same way as centuries ago.
If you want the teachers to teach a new way to extract informations of a book they will have to learn it too. But before there will be commissions and try-outs at a few selected schools.
To get PR taught in school a lot of people, from politicians down to the teachers, will have to overthink their own habitual approach to reading, usually used for 30+ years. Not to forget the parents ("What was good enough for me, is good enough for my child.")
Just think about the potential of PR.
If 13-year old children would be able to PR they would be able to make their high school diploma with 14 or 15.
If you think more about it, PR would force a revolution of the whole school system.
Otherwise, if I think about the comments at Amazon about the PR book . . . how many people would be able to understand PR, accept that PR works and be able to use PR themselves?
I'm not a PhotoReading instructor because I think it will never be accepted in schools. I'm a PhotoReading instructor because I want to break down the walls.
Schooling actually has a rather short history. It's only in the early 1900 with the change in labour laws that it because a child's right to be educated.
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On the other hand for the first three steps of PR I need approximately 15, maybe 20 minutes. Depends on how long I need to relax.
Wasting time mate. It takes 2 to 5 minutes for a beginner and 30 seconds or just doing the prepare (ideal state and purpose) along with a couple of deep breaths for the experienced.
2 to 5 minutes for all three steps together?
Accelerated Learning State 5 minutes on your own the first time, Two minutes after a couple of days, 30 seconds after a week or so. Prepare and preview no more than 90 secons. The PhotoReading (flipping the pages) step can take 3 to 7 minutes for the average 250 to 700 page book. People waste too much time on the first two steps and getting into Accelerated Learning State. One of the first assignments you get in a PhotoReading seminar. do all the steps including a postview in a time limit of 15 minutes.
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The problem with relaxation is that when I get into the ALS I suddenly hear my heart beat which I usually don't recognize. My pulse also goes up to about 90 beats/second.
I think it's mentally. I probably make myself too much pressure.
That's why you don't want to spend more than 2 minutes getting into Accelerated Learning State
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But going multiple times through a book . . . I know that I will be faster with PR but my mind tells me that I will be slower.
Isn't it amazing how the mind can defy logic? Earlier you were saying you wanted to get it done in 20 minutes. You know you can get books done in 5 to 20 minutes? - Just depends on your purpose for reading the book.
In an other thread I read that Pete Bisonette(?) of LSC is able to do this. He said that he recommends for beginners to PR 3 to 10 books a day for two to three months. So it's just a matter of practice.
The problem is that it seems impossible to me to find so many books that really interest me. I'm very picky if it comes to selecting books to read. The advantage is that I seldom read boring, crappy or useless books. The disadvantage is that I read less than I would like to.
Who says the books have to be of interests? I just stand at the bookshelf of a bookshop or library and PhotoRead one after the other. Interesting too a book that I would never have read based on the title and preview I was curious about after PhotoReading, I spent 20 minutes in the book shop and decided the book was quite interesting. So I bought it. On the way back to the hotel I decided to stop for lunch and while eating spent another 10 minutes with the book and was finished. It's not important if you are interested really.
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One should think that your brain works for you. It does but sometimes you have to constantly force it to do so.
It works perfectly for you. It is as you believe.
Could be taken right from my NLP workbook.
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You're simply wanting to short cut the steps and are a tad inflexible because all you need to do is follow the steps.
You are right.
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I'll read it.
Please do. You'll notice I went through the experience and wonder of being a beginner again in that challenge. What it took for me to get through to the end of the book.
I read your thread and have to say it's very interesting. Exactly what I needed. Thank you for the recommendation.
For the third time I have to thank you for you responsiveness.
I promise to be a more active and patient PR student now so that I'm able to PR before you have rewritten the PR book a fifth time for me alone.
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Hello you wonderful woman,
How are you?
After you've left me all alone ("Awwww...") with my difficulties in learning to PR I had given it up, because there was no progress.
In the meantime I've studied NLP and applied it's techniques to overcome my insecurities that also negatively influenced my trust in my unconscious mind and the PR concept.
As I have also gained insights in how the brain works I'm able to understand the PR concept and accept that it works.
I'm now PRing at least five books a day following all the steps with modifications like visually imagining the purpose.
I've partially activated a book and found that I remember the answers to my mind-probing questions much better and more visually than as I did when I conventionally read a book.
Also do I need just ten to twenty minutes for the first PR steps depending on the size of the book. But I think there's room for improvement yet.
I'm confident that I'll be as "successful" at PRing like you and Pete Bisonette are one day. Maybe it will take only a week. Maybe a few more. Who knows. But I'll be able to do so.
If you have the time there are three questions I'm interested in having answered them.
1. When activating I experienced being able to superread whole paragraphs at once. So I'm "reading" a page in three to five seconds.
I've experienced being drawn to parts that answer my MPQs, but there's often the thought: "What if...?"
What if there is something related to my question that I overlook?
So I start reading line for line, sometimes finding something, often not.
Besides that I find much less trigger words to write down for the following activation layers when reading whole paragraphs.
Is this just an insecurity issue I'm describing or would you recommend to read line for line?
2. During activation I recognized that I'm not interested in some chapters at the moment, so I leave them out.
I know that I'll be able to activate them any other time if I want to, but there's a thought that came to my mind: "What if I talk with someone about what I have read or there's a discussion and I recognize that there's something about this in a book I've PRed, but haven't activated?"
So I get angry because I think: "If I just would have activated this."
Which leads to pressuring myself to activate the whole book.
As I haven't experienced spontaneous activation yet, I'd like to know how I can teach my brain to give me the answer to an MPQ without the need of the book.
I'm going to ask myself questions about the PRed books during the day, as I think it will teach my unconscious this ability.
3. What if I have to activate everything?
I have a few exams in the next weeks and found summaries of the books I would have to learn from.
I thing MPQs could help.
Any further advice?
Have a nice weekend, Alex.
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"What if...?"
What if there is something related to my question that I overlook?
It's one thing we need to test out with experience and when we do we learn to trust. It comes from our primary school reading habit where we had to read every word. In the real world that is not necessary. What is necessary is satisfying our needs. That's why there is so much emphasis on Purpose. What is your purpose?
2. If someone asks you something that is in a chapter you didn't manually activate go with the flow. Chances are you won't realise you didn't activate that chapter until after discussing it with them anyway and you have a wonderful opportunity to recognise spontaneous activation.
The advise I have to offer here is the same I gave my nephew when he had to confront his fear of public speaking. "What if they ask me something and I don't know the answer." I put my hand on his shoulder and said the correct answer to the question that you don't know the answer to is, 'I don't know yet, but I can find out.'
BTW my nephew was 8 at the time, he overcame his fear of public speaking and not knowing the answer to questions that teachers or other people ask. The important part was... I can find out. He came third in a public speaking contest later that year and was the only one selected out of his grade.
3.If you have to activate everything do it in layers. They don't expect you to know everything in the textbook by the end of the first week. Some even have the same textbook for 4 years so like all learning let it build in layers on an as needed basis.
Used the summaries and expand with the books to verify the summaries. That is, use the summary for mind probing questions.
And once again I must conclude with an apology for my absence. Learning Strategies has been keeping me busy. I've taught a PhotoReading class and a private class. I'm working on the development of a course, writing a book and experimenting to test out processes for another course I'm considering developing.
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