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Regardless of the techniques you use to get there, it's going to be you that does it.

Is it best to step forward with your right foot or your left foot?

John Grinder (NLP co-founder) would say that all their techniques and strategies were all just tricks to get you to commit yourself to an outcome.

It doesn't matter what technique you use.

You could even decide not to use any techniques to help you. Do you really need techniques at all? In the end, it really is just a game to get yourself going. So why not just do it anyway?







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Techniques do matter, and so does doing them correctly. Switch the desired state and problem state around for techniques such as Change Personal History or a Swish Pattern and you can have problems and be in a far worse state than when you were before you tried the technique. There have been more than a few people who messed themselves up doing changework incorrectly, and there have been others who use various techniques such as "pain patterns" or "suicide patterns" to mess up other people. Techniques work, they are not simply tricks and should be used carefully.

One of Tony's techniques, the Dickens Pattern, can backfire by installing negative states into your future timeline. It is ok for doing something immediate, like doing a term paper due in the next few days or studying for a test, but I wouldn't use it for long-term goals. It also will really only motivate someone with a strong away from motivation strategy.

When doing serious changework it is best, IMO, to work on integration and then move in a direction. If you are using paraliminals, this is what the New Behavior Generator does.








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Dosetsu,

My intention was not to convey that sequence does not matter within all contexts. Of course it does.

My point was: sometimes one should make a choice and rely on one's own resources.

As far as I can tell, Glenn is basically asking whether Robbins-style or Scheele-style is appropriate for him. I'd say Glenn-style, whatever it may be, probably is.

On a level it does matter what techniques you use, and on another it completely doesn't.

[This message has been edited by babayada (edited July 03, 2003).]






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