you just gave me a little enlightening moment... lol and it wasnt through eating more apples... i like that you connect the ideas with "doing" experiences... i normally associate my image streaming ideas with other ideas that i already have in my mind...
you said that an apple has grown on a tree... which i never thought of... and i associate trees with roots, literally and mentally... going back to the roots of ideas, the roots of experiences, etc... i was reading a books called "The Voice of Knowledge" by Don Migual Ruiz... and he was talking about the Adam and Even story (which i relate to the apple!) and his interpretation of The Tree of Knowlege of Good and Evil is that the tree represents the judgemental mind, aka judgeing "this" as "good" and "that" as "bad"... he inteprets the adam and eve story as being a lesson on being nonjudgemental... can you see where i am going with this? my mental process has been from apple, to tree, to root, to adam and eve and the tree of knowledge and good and evil, to the lesson of nonjudgemental perception...
i have consciously read books on enlightenment where i have found that enlightenment is the merging of the "knower" and the "known"... to me the "knower" is the judgemental mind... and the "known" is the object that which we judge... and the nonjudgemental observer is separate from the mind and the object that which the mind focuses on... in other words, being a choiceless aware presence beyond the mind and the thoughts *IS* the merging of knower and known... because when you observe the mind and the object of the mind they BOTH become objects of perception... before i was identified with the mind and i saw the mind as "me"...
i dont know if becoming aware of the mind is enlightenment but i feel that it is the a path towards enlightenment...
this is all just a stream of consciousness but i can conclude that things are happening in my mind that were not happening before...
im reading books by david hawkins now and they're excellent...
as for the blackness that we see when we initially use the image stream... i have found it useful to interpret the blackness on a personal level, i like to ask "what do i assoiate this blackness with?" and i just move on from there
wow i have typed a lot lol
let me know how you're coming along... i also find it interested that you see a blue sky and white clouds... i remember Osho writing a book on "The way of white clouds"... i haven't read it but it might help...
take care
Deniz
Last edited by Deniz; 01/07/08 09:56 PM.
