[quote=Alex K. Viefhaus]



Use the sleep learning track while dropping off to sleep. Other than that no... by repeated listing you're telling yourself you don't trust your mind.

Alex, where on earth are you getting this??? How do you conclude that his subconscious mind would automatically be making a negative conclusion about repeated listenings??? If it make ANY evaluation at all, why wouldn't it make one of, "He GENUINELY desires these outcomes and results!!!" Personally, I don't think the subconscious mind makes ANY such conclusions. It simply acts on the DOMINANT, STRONGEST, CLEAREST programming.
I have alot of respect for your advice in general (have had for some years now) but this is way off base and flat-out wrong. ---- Mike

Hello,

I have the same opinion than Mike on this one.

It's like affirmations, you have to repeat it over and over for it to become a belief in your subconscious mind. Maybe at the beginning you will not consciously belief what you affirm, but as time goes and you continue to repeat the affirmation, it will become a strong belief for your subconscious because you will start to see the results of your affirmations with patience.

So, in my opinion, I think the paraliminal work the same.

Isabelle

Hello Everybody,

I got the library of Paraliminal CDs on Friday last week. I read the instructions and abided by them. Nowhere in the instructions did I read that repeated listening within a day was not advisable. It said that if you are going to listen to another session you should wait 20 minutes before you continue with the next.

I have listened to one CD 2 times each day the first two days. I felt WONDERFUL. I added the second CD on the third day. The fourth day I listened to 3 - 4 CDs and by the time I was done I could not sleep anymore. At that point I knew I had overdone it. I slept only 4 hours that night but I was just fine the next morning.

After going through these ups and downs I started reading the forums to see if other people had been going through the same things and I am surprised to hear the Administrator to advise ONE listening a day. If this is so important, which I am not sure that it, why don't the instructions emphasize that? Also I read that someone else here had been listening to only one CD daily for 1 month and he says that he is extremely happy with the results.

Now the bottom line here folks is that we should TRUST our subconscious mind and give up resistance for it to work, and I have no doubt it works. I just need for someone to tell me which is the best way to do this without me having to find out through trial and error.

Hi everyone,

I am not sure that there is a standard procedure that is appropriate for everyone. Some have deeper-seated needs or messages than others, and some have more resistance to new messages than others.

I would say that if you are skeptical of obtaining results, you may find multiple daily listenings to be noticeably helpful. For those who are open-minded and and are mentally resilient, listening once per day--or even less frequently--may be enough.

As for Alex's advice to listen only once per day, his words should be given due consideration. He does work with these resources daily, and is very knowledgeable. For some people, that message (they do not trust their minds) may be the natural outcome of repeated daily listenings; for others, the repetition may be reinforcement rather than negation.

Learner, know thyself.

Hope this helps!

~Grey

Well, I have bought the library since last october and even the paraliminal accelerator and I would say one thing that botters me since then: There is a lot of confusion and no clear instructions, there is even a lot of contradictions in explanations given, maybe that's why there is so much people on this forum asking for help and explanations.

Maybe one day we will have a standard procedure to follow to make it easier, but meanwhile, after I pass the deception of all this not being clear enough for me, I decide to enjoy it one day at a time and accept that my subconsicous mind will take all the good words that are said in these paraliminal cds.

Isabelle

Good thinking, Isabelle: trust your mind. Everyone here should take note of your observation.

Our minds know what they need to function, and they know what we need as well. Listening to the paraliminals can only help. Trust yourselves, and relax. When you stress over using these CDs correctly, you fight the entire goal, which is to relax body and mind so that the brain can process the messages in the paraliminals. When you relax and let go of your anxieties, your mind will take care of the rest.

I think your decision-- --is wise, and is the right decision.

I wish you well.

Just starting the paraliminals I agree that it would be great to have specific insturctions on the use.

I must admit that I am not very patient, I like to see results.. Being I have only been on paraliminals for a weeek Self Esteem Supercharger (now short tempered and feeling kinda low) and New Behaver Genenerator (no results that I can see or feel yet) It would be nice to read that all this normal

Meanwhile I will keep reading everyone's messages in hopes of understanding. If not I am still very hopful that i will start to see postive changes within.

These forums are helpful for us to see how we are doing compared to each other and help one another with our findings.

Since I wanted to put an end to my confusion and needed some clearer guidance I called the 888 number and spoke to one of the coaches.

I was told that, yes we can listen to one CD as many times a day as we need, be that once or all day long as long as we take 20 minutes break between section A and section B or if we are listening to one section 20 minute break between listenings. We need to concentrate on the goal we are looking accomplish each time and not mix up CDs. The days spent on the CD all depend on the issue and the CD you are picking.

I have been doing this since Thursday, and I feel a lot better emotionally and I am letting everything happen be OK, by trusting my unconscious mind completely. In other words I am considering this as very positive progress.

Since it takes the subconscious mind about 28 - 30 days to take up these new learnigns and make them habitual, I intend to continue this way until I have done this for 30 days before I move to the next CD.

I hope this helps you all who are walking in the same path.

Happy Learning :)))

Thank you for the information.

Thanks, great insight. Just one question, not mix the CD's up?
Do you mean per day or stay on the same CD before moving on to another? Is it ok to do multiple different CD's as long as the goal remains the same?

I hope that's what it means. That's how I use them--more than one per day, but usually supporting the same goal.

I was told by the coach not to mix up CDs. He said stick to one goal and one CD for as long as you need it or for as long as it says in the instructions.

I intend to listen to the CD I have chosen and the goal I have for 4 weeks, with a 20 minute break between each Section every time I listen. Then I will move on ot the next goal and CD.

I hope it helps.

Excellent post Goddess! I'm not surprised that you had received the advice that you did from your toll call. Learning Strategies used to have (maybe she still works there for all I know) an employee who played her paraliminal non-stop in the background on her Walkman while working. This was mentioned in great detail in a thread on this forum. The thread is a really old one but this was covered in great detail. Some others in that thread spliced the dual induction parts of the tape onto one recording and played them non-stop---again with good results.
I won't go so far as to say that the recordings need to be played non-stop in order to work. In fact, the whole business with the 20 minute rest/pause is to provide an incubation period for the subconscious to organize the information it's received (from the recording). Paul Scheele designed the recordings to be used in a certain way. I merely point out what others have done in experimenting with them AND the fact that good (great in some cases) results were achieved with NON-standard methods. Talking to the counsellors at the toll-free number, I have found that they, themselves, are not tied to just one way of doing things.
As to having a hard time sleeping after so many playings, this is merely a matter of over-stimulation. I agree with Alex on not using the sleep portion for more than 1 hour at night. Your mind has other things it needs to do (aside from taking suggestions) to prepare you for the next day. That's what Alex (a lady by the way) believes and I agree with her.
Also, regarding Alex. I think that she has done a fantastic job on this forum. I have always had the utmost repect for her and what she posts. I mention that so that there is no misunderstanding about my disagreement with her post. I have never seen anything, anywhere to suggest that the subconscious mind is going to reach a negative conclusion, let alone act on it, about repeated listenings.
I would suggest for those who really interested in such things to go to the very beginning of the forum and start reading the threads that pertain to this topic. You'll find ALOT of interesting information! --- Mike

Thank You Mike.
I totally agree with the incubation period that the brain needs to reorganize as it processes this new information. I found myself unable to sleep one night because I had listened to different CDs back to back and the sleeping track on top of it.

Now I listen to the sleeping track twice or may be three times the most. I do find myself waking up, which to me it's an indicator that the brain has had enough and needs a break.

I appreciate all this advice. Have you been using Paraliminals for a long time? What has your result with them been?

Once a week or so, after I have used one full session of a Paraliminal I fall asleep with the sleep track on continuous. Unfortunately, I do not thing there is a playing device which allows a person to program the number of repeats. As advised through the Paraliminal booklets, as soon as I wake up, to turn the MP3 player off.

I agree that the night is meant to give rest to the brain, so I think playing the sleept track 2-3 times at most should be enough.

I agree that Alex has been a wonderful moderator over the years and provided great advise to everybody.

Exotic Goddess,

I have used paraliminals for years. I have found that they really help my memory recall and abilitiy to learn immensely. The Memory and Personal Genius tapes were extremely helpful to me. I also used different tapes to help me with my singing in front of others. I used to sing at restaurant with some others once a week and found that the tapes would help me remember lyrics, and gain new insights into how to perform a song. I would use the prosperity tape also as I pictured an abundance of applause. The charisma tape I would just use the meat of and picture myself performing with absolute confidence. Anyway, I got great results. I'm not going to say that I didn't have the occasional mistake because I did but I did get some really neat results that I can honestly attribute to the tapes. For example, I got the audience clapping enthusiastically just as I pictured. I got some insights into songs even as I sang them but in such an intuitive way that I could enhance them in a way that made a huge difference. One that really came to mind was the ballad 'That's All'. I started out with a middle-of-the-road approach that was okay and "acceptable" but as I searched the audience's eyes, something popped into my mind to BE who the part the composer was asking for....a vulnerable, transparent man with a humble background who is offering all that he is to the love of his life as honestly and genuinely as he could. In other words, the exact approach necessary to communicate to the audience the way the composer desired. Well, it made all the difference in the world! People came up to me after the performance remarking as to how they were moved by the words of that song! Also, one of our group came to me and said,"Mike, I don't know what you're doing but I hope you keep it up!" There have been other positives from the paraliminals but those are a few of my favorites.---Mike

Thank You Mike for sharing your beautiful experience.

I do believe that it's not the tapes though, it's what we have inside of us that does all the magic, but the tapes help bring it out, and basically let our unconscious work for us, not against us. It's only when we trust it enough that we make it work, if we didn't it wouldn't work.

As long as the overall picture is really in the direction that you want it to be so you can thrive, that's the most important, drawbacks here and there are what make life interesting.

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To hold, you need to open your hand. Let Go!

Exotic Goddess (by the way I love that name), I DO agree with you. In my own case, I'd studied music and singing going back to the early '70's so there was alot inside me already. HOWEVER....that said, ANY tool that would help us unlock and access our best that we have is absolutely invaluable. But yes, to your point, we are ALREADY so much more capable than we can ever imagine. The biggest thing we need to do is to allow what's inside us to rise to the surface. Of course, this is what performing is about anyways. There are any number of people who sing quite beautifully in the shower. Put them on stage and their singing becomes anything but relaxed, confident and natural. For a singer, there are any number of uses (and tapes) that can be of help. It's very easy to see where a singer could be benefited but I believe it is equally true that we all perform in different ways whether it be studying, reading, making a sales call, explaining to our children the importance of being honest and truth, etc.. People don't SEE these as performances but they are in that there are skills and abilities that we have that need to be let out in their best forms in order to succeed. For example, take talking to your child. A parent needs to be a good listener. A parent needs to be secure enough within him/herself that he/she can be patient and understanding while at the same time setting the boundaries and limits that the child needs. The parent might also need to be able to be a good story teller whether in helping the child get to sleep at night OR relaying true stories in a way that will help the child understand an important lesson of life the parent wants to instill. So many things that we take for granted really require us to "perform" in one way or another. The salesman has MANY things he has to learn and master in order to do his job successfully as does a teacher, nurse, policeman, etc.. The paraliminals help us access what we ALREADY have within us in the most helpful/useful and valuable ways. I do NOT for one minute think that they're the only tool that does a good job (Peter Bissonnette says that there are many roads that lead to Chicago and I agree!;) but they ARE tools that work. They have many strengths and a few weaknesses to them but all in all, they are good tools for self-improvement in my opinion.
Thanks for the reply Exotic! -- Mike

Do all paraliminals contain a sleep track? Do the sonic access cds contain sleep tracks? Also... I am using Automatic Pilot to help reach my weight loss goals... I also wanted to use sonic access Health to assist with that goal as well. Can I still listen to the Success cd for financial success in the same day (or during the same time) or would there be too many messages?

The underlying desperation to have magic cures work instantly is where the subconscious gets the message that you don't trust the process. I pass on that advise because Paul himself advised that in one of his TeleSeminars.

The instruction booklet has advise that is unique to each Paraliminal and realistically no one has time to do more than one proper listening. If you are working on a deep goal use a couple of different Paraliminals. Hit the goal with different angles.

Majority of people find affirmations do not work because of the quiet scream of desperation that often shows up when we try to make changes.

All the Paraliminals have a sleep learning track. Listed in the booklet.

Sonic Access is a meditation program. Unlike the individual Paraliminal works with at developing your meditation skills in a more indirect way.

All Paraliminals are designed to let you see results with one or two listening. If you straight away jump to another listening you've stomped out the results you got and never even noticed them. Take the time to observe what you got. That's an important part of personal growth. By looking at the booklet and answering the questions you get a chance to notice any shifts in your experience.

AlexK

Not all Paraliminals have sleep tracks, but most do. The booklet will give you the information.

Alex, I was the one who questioned where you got the information about repeated listenings, not Shemi. In any case, that's not important. First off, I appreciate your replying to this post in your (very typical) straightforward and honest way. With all due respect to Paul Scheele, this 'quiet stream of desperation' that you mentioned is another conclusion to explain repeated listenings that may or may not be true with a particular individual. Maybe the individual simply ENJOYS the way he/she feels during the listening and decides to have a little more of the same. Maybe the listeners discerns some changes taking place on the first listening and wants to add to them. Maybe the person is so ingrained in the need for repitition after many years of doing affirmations (where repitition is paramount). These are just a few of the possibilities of why someone MIGHT opt for repeated listenings. Rightly or wrongly, these reasons have nothing to do with a scream of desperation. To the contrary, a person may very well see additional listenings to be WELL WORTH the extra time necessary to experience them. He/she may very well (maybe even likely) be doing the additional listenings from a state of confidence (that every little bit/listening) counts and with a very positive expectancy. To assume that ANY, let alone typical listeners, are dealing with a scream of desperation is to me unfounded at best and irrational at worst. I would say that each person (as well as the challenges they're facing) is different. I can also tell you with 100% certainty that every time I ever listened to a Paraliminal was with a very positive state of mind. The challenges I faced may have been challenging but I KNEW that the tape that I was listening to was powerful and that helped me have a very positive intent and expectancy before, during and after the listening. I suspect the same is true for many other who listen to these recordings.
Also Alex, as you well know, in the earlier days of this forum, there were some highly interesting threads about splicing the meat of a paraliminal and listening to it repeatedly. I would imagine that those threads still exist today. There were different posters who reported good success via their experimenting with both splicing and repeated listenings. One of the most interesting was about a Personal Learning employee who worked throughout the day with a Walkman playing a paraliminal over and over. Now, that would never be for me but the thread mentioned that she got great results from doing just that. I don't recall whether that post came from Sandy (the former moderator) or Peter Bissonette or Paul himself. It certainly didn't come from one of us on the outside (of the company).
Finally, the sleep section is in essence a conceding if you will that those who, in the earlier days of this forum, were most definitely ON to something! Think about it. The sleep section is the meat section of the tape (exactly what they were splicing). It is meant to be played AT LEAST one time at a setting and I suspect that many will play it more than once. I believe that says it all about repeated listenings. I do believe that it is a good idea to state your intention just before you listen to the sleep section and like you, I also believe that the sleep section shouldn't be listened to more than perhaps an hour or two at night. Our minds have more things to do at night besides just learning new material. I agree with you wholeheartedly on that accord.
For alot of us, those screams of desperation are not really screams of desperation at all, they're cheers of confidence, positive expectancy and enthusiasm!

My experience:

When I first started using the Paraliminals, I had quite a few "emergency" issues. I was, in general, in a bad way. I listened quite a bit more than recommended, and had the same results reported by a number of people who listened frequently: insomnia, spaced out, etc. The upside was I really did feel hugely better, many seemingly unrelated problems went away, and I began to discern the priority of my goals, needs, and wants. It was like having an ever present compassionate voice affirming me and my choices. I think that my negative thoughts had become so entrenched that the time and room they took up in my mind needed to be filled with something completely different.

So repeated listening of a variety of paraliminals was actually very therapeutic for a short while, maybe about 3 weeks. It quickly became evident that my subconscious no longer liked the repetition and that after a while the repetition was sort of like a vote of no faith. There really did need to be some time for incubation, and also a little space into which my own creativity and that of the universe could move in and help out.

I am just coming to the end of a second attempt (on the same goal) on the Paraliminal Accelerator. Although I would have liked to have gone straight through the 40 days without a break, I suspect that my subconscious may have needed some gaps between daily listening and practice to either "really get it" or to surrender the old patterns, or both.

The Learning Strategies recommendations for use have mostly been right on the mark. Some of the instructions do seem rather vague, and that may be intentional, at least in part. It's really important for the user to take ownership of the process of "changing your mind." Also, by doing the process as recommended, you will have enough time and mental/emotional focus to be open to opportunities for appropriate action in the physical world.

I hope this helps. It is a good thread with a lot of good ideas.

The tapes which were spliced did not have a Holosync soundtrack. I would not listen to them repeatedly on the go because they are entrainment sounds.

If that were only true. They worked out we have about 65,000 thoughts a day and more than 60% of them are negative.

I won't begrudge someone who has confidently experienced results with Paraliminals to use them as much as they want. They know what they are able to expect.

Those new to Paraliminals I will continue to recommend go slow and use with moderation. The brain is probably not used to alpha and theta entrainment. Which in immediate overuse can cause headaches and discomfort. For that reason I don't recommend splicing the Paraliminals with the Holosync soundtracks together. Sticking with one for sleep learning and not use them during the awake state where your attention needs to be on the ball. Especially not while driving or using machinery.

When someone posts on the forum and asks when they will see results. The desperation is apparent. One sees results when one is prepared to slow down and look.

I write my post for the beginners and those new to Paraliminals.

Alex