any one heard of neo tech and zon sent for one of there books did not understand it can any one enlighten me i would be gratfull des

Go to this link for Orientation and Definitions.
http://www.neo-tech.com/orientation/

thank you neozon for directing me to that page but what im getting at have you ordered and read the neo tech discovery and god man neo tech decodedi have and dont understand there claims just buy reading them all sorts of wonderfull things would happen at 5o pounds each icarnt see what neo tech is. it just rambles on is it acon any idea des bye

[This message has been edited by des (edited March 18, 2005).]

Their books and ramblings are a lot easier to understand than your posts, buddy.

Punctuation is your friend.

Sound like some kind of scientific alien cult to me like that "children of the matrix" book paranoid delusions thought to be truth.

"The half-wise, recognizing the comparative unreality of the Universe, imagine that they may defy its Laws--such are vain and presumptuous fools, and they are broken against the rocks and torn asunder by the elements by reason of their folly. The truly wise, knowing the nature of the Universe, use Law against laws; the higher against the lower; and by the Art of Alchemy transmute that which is undesirable into that which is worthy, and thus triumph. Mastery consists not in abnormal dreams, visions and fantastic imaginings or living, but in using the higher forces against the lower--escaping the pains of the lower planes by vibrating on
the higher. Transmutation, not presumptuous denial, is the weapon of the Master."
-- The Kybalionn ;-)

Pheonix_Rising, have you read the Neo-Tech literature and integrated it, before you made your baseless statement. I do not think your being honest.

I read Neo Tech years ago and thought it was some of the most irresponsible stuff ever put on paper. Was there a point to it besides blaming everyone else for something they did to themselfs?

Maybe I didn't buy the glasses that allow one to read between the lines.

I too read Neo-Tech many years ago. I actually read a lot N-T books, listened to
N-T tapes and even went to a N-T summit in Las Vegas.

I certainly learned a lot of practical stuff from N-T for instance how to detect Neocheaters and how to discover the way manipulators work.

The downside of N-T is that it blames*.. Others, neocheaters, mystics, politicians,
the clergy etc. Also like many orthodox religions it puts a lot of guilt on there
followers if they do not follow the code laid out by Neo-Tech.

A big word in Neo-Tech is "Integrated Honesty" however, from my and many others
which I know it became apparent that N-T is not honest and uses open lies when
it pleases them.

I have a few examples from their advertising. Example: A few years ago I read in a N-T advertising brochure a testimonial from a friend of mine, who is also a N-T
owner. I that article he stated that thanks to N-T he had increased his income by
200 % within six month.

But that was not true, he had never ever said anything like that. He contacted them and demanded a correction. He got a response sorry but our staff was a bit overzealous but still continued to use those fraudulent ads.

That's only one example. I myself and others have written to them telling them about
those and other lies and asked for an explaination but never got an answer.

That speaks for itself from my point of view. Unlike a cult were we would have been
immediately excommunicated they are still sending us their advertising material for
new books etc.. Business is business.

Cheers,

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I have Neo-Tech/Zonpower. IMO it is a waste of money. Anything Wallace disagrees with is "mysticism." Anything he agrees with is "fully integrated honesty." If you rid yourself of "mysticism" you become a "fully integrated" and a "Zon," some sort of super-being that is physically immortal and can create universes just as our universe was created by someone who discovered Neo-Tech.

The "testimonials" sections (a BIG part of the book) are pretty funny and over the top. While many companies will use testimonials, most at least try to be realistic. Basically everyone's lives were totally changed by Neo-Tech and they became "true believers." Even funnier is the "hate mail" section. These are even more extreme, one letter even came from "The Soviet Union, the Center of the Universe" to portray their opponents as being Communists.

Basically it is a mix of Branden's and Rand's work, with a big dose of Sci-Fi cultism. No religion or spirituality is real, and they are all the works of "Neo-Cheaters," basically anyone Wallace doesn't like. Wallace is pretty ignorant of hypnosis, sayign that while it could be used for seduction it cases impotency. I'm pretty sure Ross Jeffries and his students would disagree. The ads claimed the techniques would work for gambling and investing but I really don't see how being an Atheist and Objectivist alone will help with those areas. If you read the Mindlist archives there were discussions on Neo-Tech from experienced NLP students.

For anyone wanting the techniques, here they are.

The manipulation technique taught, and the one that supposedly all "Neo-Cheaters" use, is pretty simple. It is to install guilt in someone, and then give them a way out of the guilt, which is to do what you want them to do. Sure, I've had it used on me. But for me, it usually makes me mad, even when I was a kid before I learned anything about NLP. A more accurate model of this skill is to install ANY negative emotion and have your outcome as the solution. Basically it is using the "Away From" metaprogram. Forget about establishing rapport, using presuppositions, embedded commands, trance words, anchoring, Sleight of Mouth patterns, Metaprograms, connection patterns, eliciting and utilizing values, buying strategies, or any of the junk taught in NLP, all you need to do is use a guilt trip!

On to making money. The way to become prosperous does work, IMO, but that is only because less government works. Supposedly if the world went Neo-Tech prosperity will abound, but that is only because it promotes Laissez Faire capitalism, not a unique trait to Neo-Tech.

And for the incredible Neo-Tech weight loss secret, here it is! Follow the Atkins Diet. Yes, this will work, but it is from Dr. Atkins not Dr. Wallace. The last I checked, they said that you should follow the Zone Diet, which they consider an "improved" form of the Atkins Diet. It is not a version of Atkins, they work through different means. They are only similar in the final phase of Atkins. The Zone does not promote ketosis and considers it dangerous. I've talked to some of Sears' people at a health expo and they don't consider the diets similar at all.

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I recently received a junk mail invitation from Neuvue Tech to join their secret society and the person writing me had a secret identity. My name was passed on to them by someone highly regarded and thought I would fit in with their organization.

Any organization that has to operate under the guize of secrecy these days, or the pretense of secrecy is doing something wrong.
If it was legite they would not need to hide in the shadows.

Believe me, it is much easier to operate within the rules.

I bought the Neo-Tech book 12 years ago or so. I wasn't sure if it was a strait out scam or just the ramblings of a madman. As I remember, there is a ton of circular logic, doublespeak, obfusecation and unneccesary vocabulary. It was difficult to find even a shred of useful information.

In essence, the Neo-Tech plan is a loose rip off of Ayn Rand's Objectivism philosophy. You're better off going to a bookstore and buying every one of her books than one Neo-Tech one. At least you'll have something solid to believe or not believe in. (and I say that as a person who does not neccesarily agree with Objectivism at all.)

I purchased Neo Tech in 1984 and have been fan until the mid 90’s. I purchased
a lot of the Neo Tech literature and even went to two Neo Tech summits in Las
Vegas.

So I know Dr. Wallace and most of his co-workers personally.(meeting them at the
Summit)
I agree that N-T is to a large degree a rephrasing of Ayn Rand’s Objectivism but it is much broader and goes much deeper then Objectivism.

What did I learn from N-T?

• I know what a neocheater is and how those people operate. I know how to
avoid them.

• I learnt integrated thinking, connected thinking which alone provides a great advantage because hardly anyone does it.

• I got rid of a lot of unearned guilt feelings indoctrinated by neocheaters such as the media, some teachers, the church and even some relatives.
•
The reason why I dropped Neo-Tech or distanced myself from it was that it is based on some beliefs which are called axiomatic. (not to be questioned and self evident)
Those beliefs are limiting integrated thinking because they can only integrate within the boundaries of those beliefs.

OK, so can you define Integrated Thinking?
That seems to be the jewel in all of this for you.

This is what I found at the Neo-Tech Site.

"Integrated thinking is the conscious effort of putting information into accurate context by logically and honestly connecting all relevant knowledge. All valid and powerful knowledge is contextual."

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That would seem quite accurate in it's application.

Thank you

Jeff

I bougth the Neo Tech a few years ago. Simply said, it is the only book I have dumped in the trash after looking at a few pages in it.

Statik,

Why didn't you return it for a refund?