So I'd be interested to hear what products you've tried out and how effective you found them.
I also have purchased "How To Find, Seduce and Control the Women of Your Dreams." Dispite the mysoginistic sounding title, this is a good guidebook at using sun-sign astrology to determine the kind of person you want to spend your life with, or at least determine how to get into bed with the woman you're interested in. I also purchased the Grapho Deck to learn graphology - it's nice. I have How To Be The Jerk Women Love, which is more about earning respect and priority than it is getting away with being a butthead.
One thing they resell that I would advise against is the HPP tapes. These resemble Paraliminal tapes - however they lack something for me. Straighforward also sells the Attitude Activator as a stand-alone product.
The doubts I have on this stuff is that the patterns sound too American. I think several British people have expressed doubt that these patterns could work elsewhere - they just come across as sounding insincere, and that negates the whole point. What do you think?
The Magick/Influence thing is a whole different thing and definitely intriguing. I came across a site selling something similar, and they seem to be making several criticisms of Ross Jeffries' course on there - but their site looks dreadful and i wouldn't trust anything that looks so tacky. Unfortunately I've lost the link, but if I find it in the future I'll email it to you.
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Originally posted by ulysses:
How did you 'blow it big time' ? Was the course responsible for this?
I would say the attitude of the original home study course was responsible, at least in part. They had a fairly negative view towards women, and a heavy emphesis on promiscuity. My problem was I used this course to loose my virginity, and the psychological implications didn't hit me until after I was on my second person. I also had a lot of negativity regarding the effectiveness of this course, which made me doubt my abilities as I was attempting to use them, and that caused great incongruity.
I'm not sure about using this outside of America. The British ear is much more sensitive to tonality, which is the basic premise of Speed Seduction. There are ways around it, especially with body language, self-confidence, creating fantasy, etc. I would advice checking out the newsgroup alt.seduction.fast and asking for the experiences of UK seducers.
I've stopped "using" Speed Seduction. I still have a poetic mode I can slip into, but you won't find me spouting a pattern. I may start using it again, soon, but I'm thinking of taking some time off of sex to enhance myself in other ways.
It should be noted that the Home Study Course they sell now is completely different than the one I trained on. I've never heard it, but I believe it takes on a cooperative paradigm, rather than a competitive paradigm.
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If you can afford it, Natural Brilliance is excellent for examining *why* one falls back into old behaviors. To put it simply, they have a benifit, otherwise you would never have developed them in the first place. Natural Brilliance makes it easier to make a change by getting the cooperation of the conscious and other-than-conscious.
I hate to advice spending large amounts of money, but if you can afford it, I would recommend the Delux Speed Seduction Home Study Course. The course includes the Unstoppable Confidence tapes, as well as a 1 hour telephone consultation with Ross Jeffries. After calling him, (for 15 minutes, because I only had the basic course), I had ended my "dry spell" in under a week. I also got myself back to school and was able to almost double my income. I met my second Fiancee within four months.
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I would definetely recommend the UCT's. I received the unstoppable confidence tapes when I purchasd the deluxe home study course and they truly are great. I think that SS has really opened my eyes to new possibilities, not just seducing women, but seducing life. I now have a real understanding of NLP and its priceless, it gets really easy being able to direct the thoughts of people in directions that you want. For example, the other day my gf was in a real bad mood and was so grumpy. If I was in this situation 1 year ago I would have been really ****ed of at her, however through my understanding of NLP, (i.e., naming a state makes it real, describing a state brings it to life) I told her a funny story that happened to me and my friends and suddenly her frame of mind changed (engineered) and she was in a great mood because I made her imagine what it would have been like to have been there and therefore it made her laugh. We went on to have a really great day.
But yes, the unstoppable confidence tapes are great, they really helped me so much, im telling you, I was on fire with ladies up until I got back with my ex.
I would also advise you to try and get a hold the "layguide" if you could, it is also great. It usually sells on e-bay for about $15 or so.
hope this helps,
Paul
My oscilations, however, are increasing because the one curse I have the largest problem dispelling is that I'm seperated from my ex. I think I'm going to use Natural Brilliance to end my desire for her.
One thing I've noted about Natural Brilliance is that it's like an Enhancer for *any* self-improvement mechanism. I think it's because Natural Brilliance is a way of dealing with the *discomfort* that comes from changing and breaking away from the familier. The syngery is awesome.
I stubled across this astrology matchmaking site - it's not very good, but it's totally free. It keeps trying to give hook me up with Aquarius women four years my junior.
I realized, thinking about the woman who I was pathologically obsessed with for years, that she was an Aquarius who was four years my junior.
I had a moment of panic, but the magical training soon took over. I reframed and realized that if I wanted to have an Aquarius woman four years my junior, I live in a large metropolis and could easily find one. Simple reframing, yes, but the ability to DIVEST EMOTIONS and spend your emotional currency where YOU want it to go is an ability that most people don't even KNOW they could learn.
I also learned some basic energizing and mindfilth banishing postures. If I was still stuck to the point where a simple reframe wouldn't work, I could send my negative emotions into the ground and replace them with new possibilities.
The approach seems to be one rung below NLP but effective nonetheless.
ulysses. UK.
However, I was able to break though many of my oscilations the next morning. Unfortunately, I actually found the courage to end my own life. Lucky for me, I was unsuccessful and simply wound up dazed and confused.
All things considered, I count this as a success. Now, the trick is to channel my new options into behaviors that are slightly less leathal.
Bye!
according to Ross, the word "you" is used in the affirmations. When you use "I", for example, "I take immediate advantage of my opportunities with women.I establish incredile rappor etc etc" a part of your brain is saying "no you dont you lying ****". But when you use the word "you" it is like a third party is speaking to you and not yourself and this in turn reprograms the subconscious mind.
hope this helps
paul c
I think that Rex Sikes explained it best when he said its like wearing a red shirt and someone comes up to you and says nice blue shirt. You say no its not its red and it goes back and forth.
Your mind habitually jumps in and corrects you. So if you're trying to do/be something other than you are now it's probably better to give yourself permission to do it.
If you say to yourself I allow you mind will find it difficult to flat out refuse to change, because you've given permission.
Alex
Please see the book "Reframing" by Richard Bandler and John Grinder for more information.
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In essence, take all the "parts" or "peices" of one's self and get them all to agree. This may take negotiation, especially when defining one's goals, but it (ideally) stops self-sabbatoge.
That reminded me of a trigger technique from Stanley Manns book Triggers copyright 1997 ISBN 0-13-930793-1 {PBK}. You basically negotiate with all your parts and when all the parts agree you set a trigger. Anytime you want to get yourself into that productive state that you negotiated, you just fire the trigger. Interesting technique... 
On a different note, Here's the link for Rex Sikes article on affirmations that you might find interesting http://www.idea-seminars.com/articles/affirm.htm
Alex
Now say I am using some technology such as Silent Subliminals that claims to avoid the conscious mind. If you assume the technology works as advertised, does the advice on wording still apply? If not, how should the affirmations be worded?
Personally, I perfer to actually hear people saying good things about me (when I'm in the mood), which is why I listen to a Personal Celebration every so often. The advertising makes them sound a little hokey, and maybe there's some hokeyness to them, but they can help you believe the statements when you hear them from other people.
On the plus side, along with using the Natural Briliance cycle, I'm feeling comfortable enough to compliment just about everyone I come in contact with. It took a great deal of effort at first, and in fact I couldn't do it until a few hours after I resolved to. I just went up to someone and said, "excuse me, pardon me for interupting, but I knew if I didn't tell you this I would wind up regretting it for a very long time. You are one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen in my life. Thank you." And then I walked away. Before, I attached a great deal of value to the action of complimenting, showing interest in, or talking to a female. Value is inherently metaphysical in that it is real enough to cause a change in behavior as if Agent Smith had used Matrix powers to sew my mouth shut. By divesting the value and making the action only the communication of an interal observation of my own sense of personal taste, I change my ability and am able to do take action.
I swear, the synergy between Natural Brilliance and Beyond Condifence is truly magical. My intution is also opening up. I knew that one on my co-workers was craving dairy (it was ice cream, but I thought yogurt), and that someone was thinking of seeing fear dot com dot com the movie. I warned her not to, and she told me that Red Dragon was good.
Live purposefully!