I also believe what Paul stated on another tape: "If any ONE can do it, then ANYONE can do it." Which is basically one of the premises of NLP. You can model anyone, including psychics. Just figure out exactly how they do it (down to the extreme minutia, if need be) and do the same.
Of course, there is the average palm reader on every corner who will take your money to tell you what you want. Those are reallllly
good body language readers.
George
To me intuition, gut feelings, knowing who is calling before you pick up the phone are all pretty sure indicators that we have more sensory connections than just the 5 physical senses that we are consciously aware off.
Alex
Bill Harris on the tape in the Euphoria course, talks about how delta is a transcendental state. I'm not so sure about that, but that comment did make me realize that all of our intuition info comes from that area.
Now Anna Wise in the High Performance Mind uses a certain instrument & she speaks of the awakened mind as the best state to be in. The awakened mind includes all the different brain waves in a pattern. She studied w/ Max Cade in England. I'm fairly sure that intuitive people who are very naturally intuitive have a particular pattern of brain waves. Those of us who develop our intuitive abilities (which are innate b/c we all have delta brain waves) will then move more towards a particular pattern that approximates naturally intuitive people.
Plus, Anna Wise is a good friend of Bill Harris of CRI.
it's very interesting
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The data you posted about earliest man having predominantly a Delta state makes sense to me, but I'm just wondering if you can point me to a reference where this information comes from. Without actually hooking up an ancient human to an EEG machine (which is obviously impossible), how can we know what early man's brainwaves were?
It shocks me that some of my most peaceful, clear, and transcendental states of being may have been when my brainwaves became those of our earliest ancestors. Whatever happened to evolution? Aren't things supposed to get better, not worse? Is regression to early human's brainwaves actually a progression??
Anything in accelerated learning will deal w/ the brain.I think it's now common knowledge that our chronological age up to 21 matches the brain wave pattern. Like when children are in elementary, high school and college, their most natural brain wave, alpha, matches their chronological age. That's why it's the ideal time for learning. Try Zepher too for good info.
When a child has something happen to them during the ages of 4-7, that stuff is stored at a theta brain wave pattern. Later on in life that will influence them in ways that possibly limit their striving for success and happiness. Then when they go into, say, therapy, it takes forever to resolve. A faster way to access that "hidden file" is to slow the brain wave down to the same level it happened. Jose Silva was onto this way back in the 1950's. And, today some therapists are using brain wave equipment to take patients to a lower brain wave to assist them in healing.
Historically, the reptilian brain was the first part of the brain to develop and that's where the delta brain wave comes from. Then the mammalian brain developed and i think that has to do w/ the theta brain wave.
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One thing I know for sure is that comatose patients in hospitals display predominantly Delta brainwaves even deeper than a healthy person's Delta during sleep. It's paradoxical for me to try to relate this to my own experiences entraining Delta, because in this state I usually feel mentally optimum.
Without wanting to discourage anyone, and you didn't need to hear it here first, Delta accesses levels so deep and primitive that these may be pre-language parts of the brain. This may explain why some researchers say subliminals simply don't work while one is in a Delta state -- as the parts of the brain accessed are so basic that words are simply noises and devoid of meaning. Like how the words would sound to a one-year-old infant long before language is learned. Paradoxically, my own experience is that subliminals do work in Delta, and the same researchers that say they don't work in Delta say they work especially well in Alpha and Theta, which one must pass through before reaching Delta.
I think it's safe to say that everybody's "Delta" is a little different than everyone else's. And I'm aware of cases where comatose patients have heard conversations, and after having gotten out of the coma, recalling the conversation.
I don't know. But it's interesting to think about.
On a note about being psychic or intuitive... sometimes I hate the ability. Had it all my life to some degree, more pronounced now. I can understand why people block this ability. Sometimes the messages are not exactly clear. You know somethings wrong you find yourself upset about it, you wind up searching to find the source of the problem etc. You're upset anxious and when you find out what it is... you get to be upset and anxious all over again. I once asked why go through the anxiety twice. Fortunately the reverse is also true... you can know that things will turn out alright.
C. Maxwell Cade developed the Mind Mirror used by Anna Wise.
Alex
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Certainly, psychic or intuitive experiences are not necessarily pleasant or even useful states of being. Being very intuitive about people's thoughts around you can be very painful.
I just thought I would mention that Dr. Jeffrey Thompson's reasonably priced "Brainwave Suite" contains 4 CD's -- Alpha, Theta, Delta, and Alpha-Theta. Various websites that sell this product say his Alpha-Theta CD is the only one ever made that is designed to entrain the Awakened Mind pattern of Cade/Wise. I think Dr. Thompson's own site says this. This is something I've been meaning to try, but I've already got so many tapes/CD's that need listening.
I'd say if you're already on the Centerpointe program you don't need them.
Alex
I only have Brain Wave Suite from Thompson. They are wonderful tapes.
According to Alex, the alpha/theta tape in that set helps to approximate the Awakened Mind that is a particular brain wave pattern described in the Wise book: The High Performance Mind.
hope this helps
Try checking out The Relaxation Company. They have very cool stuff.
The Jeff Thomspons CD are sound CD to bring about certain brainwave patterns. Using them with freeflow visualisation is much more interesting. Each CD works with a particular brainwave. You can play the Alpha one or Alpha Theta while studying, reading learning, for focused concentration. The Theta one is great for visualisation and seeking inspiration for image streaming. The Delta CD helps you to drop of to sleep and is good for training maintaining alertness in meditation.
Margaret please do not attibute to me something that I have not said....
According to Alex, the alpha/theta tape in that set helps to approximate the Awakened Mind that is a particular brain wave pattern described in the Wise book: The High Performance Mind.
As Seeker2002 posted on 18 Sept
I just thought I would mention that Dr. Jeffrey Thompson's reasonably priced "Brainwave Suite" contains 4 CD's -- Alpha, Theta, Delta, and Alpha-Theta. Various websites that sell this product say his Alpha-Theta CD is the only one ever made that is designed to entrain the Awakened Mind pattern of Cade/Wise. I think Dr. Thompson's own site says this. This is something I've been meaning to try, but I've already got so many tapes/CD's that need listening.
The point is, this might be true, as seeker has said it was stated on the website. However it is not according to Alex
Alex
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If you have your speakers turned on and wait long enough for the download, you can hear cool music. Scroll down to the bottom of the homepage to see a cool image of our planet next to an image of space. Images like that inspire me more than any religion ever could.
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Anna Wise's suggestion to relax one's tongue to suppress Beta is one of the simplest and most useful meditation (Alpha, Theta, Delta) suggestions ever. I don't think I ever would have thought of that myself.
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With all the wonderful people we have in self-improvement technology, I would like to see more collaboration among them. Many did come together to produce the Euphoria course, and I would like to see more teamwork like this. Another example is that Centerpointe uses its own entrainment technology, but uses Lowery's method of producing subliminals. We need more collaboration like this!
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Originally posted by Margaret:According to Alex, the alpha/theta tape in that set helps to approximate the Awakened Mind that is a particular brain wave pattern described in the Wise book: The High Performance Mind.
Uhm alex care to tell us where you said that? I cant seem to find it anywhere. Can you tell us more about it please.?
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Uhm alex care to tell us where you said that? I cant seem to find it anywhere. Can you tell us more about it please.?
Kris... Margaret has incorrectly attibuted me as having said that. It was only pointed out in this forum that it was a claim made on web sites.
This claim is definately not according to Alex
bhenry... Some further information about the brainwave suite CDs. They use music, sounds of nature and 3D sound. The 3D sound effect make it quite entertaining.
Alex
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Seeker, I listened to the audio and is sounded so familar I had to check my CDs, since I haven't used them in a while. It sounds to me like it is from Theta CD from the Brainwave Suite. On my CD the nature sounds come out better than on my sound card and on the CDs the 3D effect is much more pronounced. In anycase yep thats what the brainwave Suite pretty much sounds like. Nice to have playing in the background too.
Alex
i'm beginning to wonder if kris is just another one of your users; or, perhaps he's your alter ego 
don't you have better things to do other than get on my case? no? you poor things 
how about u ask lsc to check up the ip's and then check the ones on alex and the ones on myself??
yer good one sherlock
MODERATOR: please check the ips to show this 'smart person' who is who?
Since I've owned and used the CD selection for more than 6 years I found that claim difficult to believe based on my experience alone. When I checked the brochure that came with the CDs and compared the typical mind mirror response from someone using the Alpha/Theta CD to an awakened mind response. I found that the results definately were not Awakened Mind? There was too much Beta and almost No Delta.
Since the brochure was printed in 1995 and I knew from M/s Wises site that the images were continuously evolving. I thought that perhaps what Dr Thompson thought was typical then may have been updated to concur with M/s Wises data. So I did a search.
With a search of Dr Jeffrey Thompson's site and found no claim that his CDs brought about the Awakened Mind. I read all of his articles (picked up some useful information too From a PhotoReaders point of view I had an interesting learning experience going through his site). However, nowhere does he reference the Awakened Mind. Nor does his list of resources make any reference to M/s Anna Wises work. In other words he himself does not make the claim that his Alpha/Theta CD will bring about the Awakened Mind.
M/s Wises site provided some minor useful information. It does say that the Awakened Mind is a result of a combined Alpha/Theta entrainment.
More useful was the information from a forum archive on developing the awakened mind. Basically it boiled down to Self Relaxation.
The 'typical' mind mirror from using the Alpha/Theta CD is anything but the awakened mind. Therefore I can only assume that it might be possible for some individuals to experience the awaken mind (ad hoc) using the CD. As it is the only CD I know of that combines Alpha/Theta entrainment.
Having used these CD for some 6 years I can only say.. Don't get your hopes up
If you want to follow up my search
Dr Jeffreys site is here http://www.neuroacoustic.com/
Anna Wise' site is here http://www.annawise.com/the_work/
Search engines used to search term Awakened Mind... Dogpile (most productive) Google and Webcrawler
The Brainwave Suite Set referenced to Consist of 4 CDs
CD ID 5229-63051-2 Alpha 2 Tracks
Track 1 Alert Relaxation (light - mid Alpha) 20:47
Track 2 Meditation (mid- deep alpha) 20:34
CD ID 5229-63052-2 Theta 2 Tracks
Track 1 Insight & Intuition (light - mid theta) 20:58
Track 2 Creativity & Inspiration (mid - deep theta) 20:43
CD ID 5229-63053-2 Delta 2 Tracks
Track 1 Letting go of Stress (light-mid delta) 20:54
Track 2 Rejuvenating Sleep (mid-deep delta)21:04
CD ID 5229-63054-2 Alpha-Theta 2 Tracks
Track 1 Emotional Openness 19:50
Track 2 Intimate Communication (alpha-theta) 19:58
Purchased as a set copyright 1995 The Relaxation Company, Inc Roslyn, New York
Alex
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I hope that extra long link works...
I also recommend the Anna Wise book, The High Performance Mind.
Anna Wise's site has a mind mirror diagram of the Awakened Mind that is more of a coke bottle look. Compared to the brochure that came with the CDs for the Brainwave Suite which is a distinctive curve with heightened alpha/theta brainwave.
The only common point I've found; that Anna Wise states that the Awakened Mind pattern is brought about the Alpha/Theta entrainment and that particular CD from Dr Jeffrey Thompson happens to be an Alpha/Theta entrainment CD.
Not Even M/s Wise claims that her CD's will bring on the Awakened mind pattern.
On Disc 3 CD 3075 From the High performance Mind Set (2 Tracks)
Track 1 Accessing the Creativity of The High Performance Mind.(24:42
Track 2 The Bubble (21:22)
copyright 1998. The back cover states that..
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These audio programs will guide you to develop the "high performance" brainwave state present in accomplished yogis, artist and many highly productive individuals.Accessing the Creativity of The High Performance Mind provides guided imagery along with brainwave training to help you enter the High Performance Mind state. This program works to strengthen your capacity for problem solving and creative manifestation. The Bubble gives you and experience of the expansion and contraction of the "delta rada" that opens up the unconscious intuition and empathy.
The inside cover features the Brainwave Suite CD's as one of the products available from The Relaxation Company. The sales pitch reads...
quote:(no mention of Awakened Mind)
Every state of mind has a unique pattern of brainwaves - composed of alpha, beta, delta and theta waves - which can be measured and mapped. Brainwave Suite blends subtle pulses of sound into the musical soundtrack, to stimulate your brain to produce waves with a pattern that matches the state of mind you want to experience.
Basically all the CDs in her collection are training to reach the High Performance Mind State.
The CD's were produced prior to 1999. Neither of the Publications with the CD's sets, the Brainwave Suite nor High Performance mind, make a claim that you will experience the Awakened Mind.
I think one must not overlook that these CD can help to achieve the Awakened Mind when one uses them for training. It would me misleading to think that the CD's alone would bring about that state... effort is still required on the part of the user.
To Quote M/s Wise from her Publication High Performance Mind copyright 1995 ISBN 0-87477-850-6 page 235
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The first step toward mastering your brainwaves is learning to relax. Relaxation helps you master all of the other brainwave states. The optimum brainwave pattern, the awakened mind, is a combination of beta, alpha, theta, and delta brainwaves. Rather than going straight into pattern. it is often easier to first develop the meditation brainwave pattern, which is made up of alpha. theta and usually delta. ...
So rather than expecting CDs to do the work for you, you use them as a tool.
bhenry,
The CD sets both come from the Relaxation Company. If you want guided visualisation and don't mind someone talking in a flat voice to a group of people while you're using the CD's on your own High Performance mind.
If you just want brain entrainment CD's music and sounds where you are free to use whatever visualisation techniques you desire (you can even use Anna Wise' since they are written up in her book High performance mind). Then The Brainwave Suite would be the choice.
So far I have not found any form of brain entrainment that worked optimally for everyone every time. I dare say that is because we are all indiviuals... for me the High Performance mind CD's will not work because I find them uninteresting. However someone else might find them interesting and experience outstanding success with them the first time round.
Finding what works for you is a hit and miss affair. Dr Thompsons site does provide a sample of the CD's sound track one of the other samples might even be a better choice for you.
Alex
That as one's mind becomes more and more emptied of thoughts, the thoughts of other people come rushing in.
Think of a vacuum. A vacuum is empty in the sense that it contains little or no air. Given the opportunity, air rushes in to the vacuum, often forcefully. A still mind, perhaps entrained in the Delta frequency, is a vacuum in the sense that it contains little or no thoughts...and the thoughts of other people can come rushing in.
We are all psychics. It's psychic world.
I think it's just an area that some people have chosen to improve. Knowledgism.com is a pretty good resource for human potential data...
Alex
You can look at a glass of water and say it's either half empty or half full.
There's many terms and definitions and different ways of describing different things out in the world. But how do you know what you know is the truth?
Just something to think about!
If I experience it. If I experience it first and know it based on experience.
In the Bhagavad Gita it states that there is no existence of the unreal and no non-existence of the real.
One thing i've always gone by is that for Truth to be Truth, it has to be eternal. By this, it was true 200,000 years ago & will be true 200,000 into the future. For example, people, all people seek love. They seek to receive it and to give it. Even your enemies seek love. Often times when people or children are being very mean, it is just a negative way of seeking to be loved.
An absolute Truth is: The very first person you meet whenever you enter a room will be yourself Where ever you go in the world and whoever you speak to, you are always meeting yourself. Know thyself. What did your face look like before you were born?
In the example about disease you gave, at least one person would have to test the person's theory (and ask him/her to explain the methods used to arrive at the knowledge).
Margaret suggested Ontology. I would also suggest Epistemology: the study of how we know what we (supposedly) know. Sometimes, when experience is not possible, all we can do is assume it to be true, and then hopefully try to verify the assumption.