Anyone tried it?
Hawkins seems brilliant!
A friend of mine has a PhD in natural medicine, and she uses muscle testing all the time- she rarely tests her patients muscles, but uses her own fingers to test on the patients behalf. She is amazingly accurate, can diagnose and form effective treatment plans very quickly.
Oxygen I hope you will write about your experience with this course. I am very curious, and just cant spend the money now and still be happily married 
vitaman
My feelings about thioos course are a bit mixed... The apparent content of the lectures seems more or less useless to me (of course that tells nothing about the lectures and all about my internal state) but David Hawkins himself on the other hand seems a very interesting person. He is not particularly good teacher, but his level of consciousness is certainly high.
I was strongly drawn to this course immediately and I trust my OTC mind that there is lot for me to learn. Whatever he teaches, I learn what I learn. His tone of voice, how he uses his voice, how he breathes, how he laghs (he laughs a lot!) these are important trings to me right now. I'm sort of listening in between the words, because I feel that the real message for me is there. Not in the content of the words.
To make it clear; I'm really glad that I ordered this course, I have learned very valuable things from it. It is not clear right now what exactly I have learned. I just know I have learned. I'm really fortunate that LSC chose to recommend this course, it came at exactly the right time for me.
The price of the course was not that high, less than 70 $ as far as I remember. So, V-man, maybe you can afford it? I'm sure there are a lot of other things to learn to you.
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The course "Highest Level of Enlightenment" can be had in cassettes for $49 at: http://www.successonsale.com/catalog_c24076.html
While I am certainly all for developing better communication with unconscious processes and knowing yourself better, I think it's a little unwise to think that objective truth can be ascertained through the response of your muscles to something.
Image streaming and other techniques offer access to the various intelligences available in your body and mind, but don't you think you have to take what you find with a grain of salt?
You can get the products of these intelligences, ok, but how do you know you're interpreting them correctly? How do you know how to handle the information you get? I just don't know about a lot of the claims being made about this.
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I wonder if you know which book covers the blueprint topic? That is the most interesting part for me, as I already do pendulums and ideomotoric signaling.
vitaman
Geologists can't explain it, but they know that dowsers can reliably find water and other resources underground. Years of university or a knak with a forked stick? Both will find water.
A good deal of Eriksonian Hypnotherapy training involves idiomotoric responses. Indeed, a constantly recuring theme has been "trust your unconsious mind" It is far greater than the consious mind...but differentiating intuition from fear and fantasy takes some practice for some people.
Wyy not get a pendulum, or join a dowsing group, try it for yourself? If it is useful, great, if not, nothing lost.
vitaman
Why seek truth from muscle response? I find the idea ridiculous and awkward myself. Hawkins states that you can increase yor own level of consciousness by testing every thing and every person with the muscle test and getting rid of those that get a low rating. Sure. While this may work, I find it too laborious. I'm sure I can get the same information otherwise, in a way that suits me more. Muscle testing may suit Hawkins, but it does not mean it has to suit every one. Every person has the right and responsibility to get to the goal, the find the important questions and get the answers, their own way.
My 2 €cents
If it doesn't fit, dont use it, if it does, then there is another tool for the toolkit.
I am surprised to hear he advocates testing everything- that is great for a researcher, like himself, but why not just test the big stuff? ( I am not that detail oriented anyways <grin> ) For me, at least, getting to the core of things would likely take care of the little stuff.
I think I will follow Hobo's advice and read first.
Good to hear your opinions, particulary Oxygens. after buying the course.
vitaman
My opinions are only my opinions. I may criticize the course, but at the same time I can teel that it has things very valuable to me.
I have meat a couple of really good teachers in my life and mostly I compare Hawkins to them. Hawkins is not a good teacher. But it does not mean he has nothing to teach you, on the contrary. Some of his points of view are very valuable. Learning them just requires more advanced learning skills and ability to rejexct the unessential.
Actually raising your level of consciousness on David Hawkins' LOC scale is a bit more involved than the adcopy would have you believe. and it goes beyond muscle testing.
I have studied hundreds of different methods of doing muscle testing before finding methods that I currently use. It is reproducible and enjoys a high success rate. It is intrinsic to applied kinesiology and energy psychology. It's amazing the amount of applications that it can be used for. The technique was developed by Dr. John Diamond and popularized by Dr. Roger Calahan and heavily used by many health practitioners and therapists. Dr. David Hawkins spent over two decades using thousands of test subjects to apply the method outside of the health fields. The phenomenon of the body testing strong on something that is true or that promotes health and testing weak on something that is false or degrades health is nothing short of amazing. You could even use it to save money on buying self-development products and even calibrating an objective numerical value to compare the different products on the market without having to purchase all of them.
Yes, it's true that it's used mostly on the mundane stuff but there is a skill in asking the binary question in the right way and in phrasing it in the most appropriate manner and this is where most people fall short. You also have to check your own energy field for correct polarity and psychological reversal and homolateral energy flow since the energy body is always in flux in response to time-varying inputs and make the necessary corrections. Energy psychologists are familar with these processes.
Dr. Hawkins and others do not feel that muscle testing can be used to predict the future. I would disagree if you know how to ask the question. Look at the work of WD Gann, for example, or cycle theory which demonstrates that future performance can be a function of past information.
You can download a free copy of Dr. David Hawkins' book Power vs. Force at http://rapidshare.de/files/9289587/David_R_Hawkins_-_Power_vs_Force.pdf.html
A few links for those interested in this field:
An Overview of. RESEARCH IN ENERGY PSYCHOLOGY. David Feinstein, Ph.D. http://www.emofree.com/pdf-files/feinstein-research-paper.pdf
EFT http://www.emofree.com/eftmanl.pdf
BSFF http://www.jbennette.com/resources/bsff.pdf http://theamt.com/library/BSFF-FlowchartV2.pdf
TAT http://www.unstressforsuccess.com/free/FREEtatworkbook.pdf
Z-Point Process http://www.zpointprocess.com/resources/Healing.pdf
Complex Instant http://www.herbalcleanse.com.au/manuals/ComplexInstant.pdf
EET http://planet.time.net.my/CentralMarket/tenagadalam/EET.pdf
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Thanks for the comments! You obviously have a very much wider experience on this subject.
I would like to state again that my opinions are only my opinions. I have a strong feling I can get the same information through other channels as well.
I checked the links, and found out that one of them was more interesting than the others, the one explaining muscle testing with middle and index finger. I played with it for a while. (Then my OTC mind got bored with it, like, "why don't you give some real questions to answer?! I won't bother to show any response just to demonstrate it can be done! Find the question!" Obviously the thing is to find right questions and not learning to give a solid response 
) Interesting anyway.
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