Posted By: Qi4Life BIG question - 05/09/07 07:50 PM
Hello everybody

I had just come across PR, and i had to say that it really blowed my mind.. i mean being able to read a page per sec would blow any1 mind.... i have not yet buyed the program, because im still very skeptical... i mean yes im still very very skeptical

I do have one big question.... saying that the program works and that i am able to read a page per sec, how would be the quality of the understanding... i mean not every1 can understand everything, i mean if i come across an advanced quantum physics book... how well will i understand it? will i be able to understand it or the book will just be recorded in my mind but without being undestanded.... because... i mean quantum physics arenīt for everyone....

Thx in advance and sorry if i my writing is bad...
Posted By: photoread4me Re: BIG question - 05/10/07 04:52 AM
Hello.

You cannot read a page a second. No where in photoreading or learning strategies corporation does it ever say you will be able to read a page a second. You can photoread a page a second but photoreading is not reading. Photoreading is exposing a book to the other than conscious mind by changing your field of vision using your peripheral vision to expose the book to the other than conscious mind. After photoreading you will have little if any conscious recollection of what you just photoread. You consciously get the information from the book through activation techniques.

New or beginning photoreaders should learn photoreading first with non-school books.Then after they have mastered the techniques with regular books and feel very confident then they should transfer the skill to textbooks or schoolbooks.

Photoread4me
Posted By: Carl Reimann Re: BIG question - 05/13/07 10:40 PM
Here is an example, to encourage you.

I took an interest in photoreading back in late summer '05. I pursued it for a time, and set it aside. A couple of days ago I realized that I really have quite a pile of reading to get through, and so I said to myself, "maybe it's time to get back into photoreading!" (with which I had extensively experimented previously, so that it is not new to me now).

Well, I have just extracted everything I need from a 190-page monograph, in 28 minutes flat. A couple of days ago, I previewed and photoread it. Just now, in 28 minutes, I went through and found what I needed. I am absolutely certain that the book was familiar to me from having photoread it, that if I had not photoread it I would have had a much harder time picking up the necessary details, the details necessary for me, now. So say total time 45 minutes. I'm finished with it. The details I need can't just be looked up in the index; they are synthetical and scattered around.

At some points in my 28-minute pass over the book I realized I was turning a few pages without really looking, and I tested the matter by making myself check-- and in fact there was nothing there. The paragraphs containing information relevant to my needs just somehow stand out.

I don't think that what I do counts as activation properly speaking. I didn't really ask questions, except to some extent for one question at the beginning. I have to improve my activation technique. I don't really enjoy making maps on pieces of paper. I like to type in what I need, my thoughts, my summary, etc. I don't like making big lines that go this way and that; and what should I do with the paper anyway? When I tried activating that way in '05 I filled up lots of big sheets of paper, and I don't even know where they are exactly. So I like the computer. I have to work on activation technique.

But there is no doubt that photoreading made the research easier. I polished off a monograph in less than one hour total time spent. It's unheard of.
Posted By: Centauro-X Re: BIG question - 05/14/07 09:38 AM
Sure PHotoread made the research easier.
But - If I may - don't close at all with mind maps.
I think they're the most incredible instrument to develop human thought.
Posted By: Carl Reimann Re: BIG question - 05/14/07 10:26 AM
Thanks for the feedback!

I just wanted to pop back in to say that today I very successfully went through ten monographs, easily finding what was necessary in each one. In each case the necessary details could not simply be looked up. None of the books were straightforward self-help kinds of things, or business book re-hashes of often repeated advice.

So, I'm thrilled.

I would like to do more with real activation. If you could give me a lead on mind maps, I'd be interested. Two problems with mind maps come to, um, mind (sorry!).

First, some data is always squee-hawed into an awkward space because one can't really plan in advance what areas are going to wind up being the most extensive. Not just squee-hawed, but sometimes hard to read, because handwriting is adjusted to deal with available space.

Second, the data on a mind map isn't digital. So it has to be put into the computer anyway. This means extra work. And once in the computer, the lines won't be preserved anyway. Why not just move the cursor around on the screen and build an outline that way? A linear outline on paper may look sloppy and be hard to coordinate, but on the screen, any area can be expanded, indented, bolded, or what-have-you, easily enough.

There's no hard rule about using mind maps, of course. I don't mean to imply a need for a debate about them. If you want to tempt me into using them again, feel free. I think Alex has told me before that I might as well do what is working. Probably the main aspect of activation is moving through the text actively, with active purpose-based questions, dipping where my eye seems to want to rest. A book that hasn't been photoread looks more opaque, more blank. Once photoread, the passages of interest are spotted.
Posted By: Ruud Re: BIG question - 05/14/07 12:50 PM
Hello Carl Reimann

When you wanted to make a mindmap with the computer, you can do it whit a program that's made for it. Such as "Inspiriation 8". See the website: http://www.inspiration.com/productinfo/inspiration/index.cfm
It's really a nice program. I use it also sometimes to make my mindmaps digital (when I don't have a paper or don't wanted to use a paper).

With a paper you have to use one that's have enough space. With a lot of knowledge for the mindmap you can use a A3-paper instead of a A4-paper.

Kind regards,
Ruud
Posted By: matthat Re: BIG question - 05/14/07 01:05 PM
I find that I activate much better using hand drawn mind-maps than with the PC.

Once I'm happy with my mind map I draw it out using Mind Manager, which serves as a little revision in its own right, I can then begin to link it to other mind maps of different books.
Posted By: Qi4Life Re: BIG question - 05/14/07 06:28 PM
Hi!! Thanks you for replying!!

Ive got the tapes, and i am working on them now.

I have one question.... to be in photophocus the only thing i have to do is to not looking directly to the books pages/ looking without focus? for instance i have succesfully seen the "photo read" words in thepicture of the tapes manual, BUT ive noticed thateven if i was not looking directly into the picture, i couldnt see the words, is like a special look to the picture so that the 3d image appear, and i am not sure if i am doing it correctly in the dictionary.... do you understand what i mean to say?

btw: do i have to feel frustrated if i couldnt work out very well the dictionary and word recognition game?... in this moment i donīt feel frustrated, but... you know how its like... as another guy in the forum said: "i need a carrot to stymulate this donkey!!"
Posted By: shakurav Re: BIG question - 05/15/07 12:06 AM
I agree that mind mapping is hard for me by hand and I prefer using the computer, although I can see the reasons for the oppposite view point and I may try both as I continue to learn and master PhotoReading. I am on my second pass through the home study course (in over two years--since the my first one using the cassettes, now using CD's) and now on the preview stage on disc 2.

I use NovaMind for mind mapping. It was first Mac only, I think but now is available for PC users as well:

http://www.nova-mind.com/
Posted By: matthat Re: BIG question - 05/15/07 07:19 AM
Yes it's funny that I prefer to do hand-drawn mind maps particularly as I prefer to do everything else straight on to PC. However I find it easier to activate with a hand-drawn mind map, perhaps because I don't have to take my attention away from the book - I can have it in one hand whilst mind mapping with the other... somehow I feel that it's easier to "get inside" the content when mapping by hand.
Posted By: Centauro-X Re: BIG question - 05/15/07 08:51 AM
I think mind mapping has a fun part in it. Returning children, feels like we are children again. That makes work easier. Not only. To put ourself in this "beginner-state" let our brain work entirely, both left and right part together.
Mind map can be done on pc too...
That allows to fix what is wrong and to update the same map, but...it's limitated, and the limits are the limits of the software.
In my opinion...hand made mind maps overcome pc made mind maps by speed, by complexity, by fantasy, inspiration. Everything. But it's a point of view that,. I admit, it's involved with my personality.

Mind map helps activation 'cause it's radiant thinking.
I think photoreading works this way too. We have trigger words, we have question, we find out something in the book that "wakes up" something else, and then we think to something else connected and so and so. This is radiant thinking.
Posted By: Carl Reimann Re: BIG question - 05/15/07 10:00 AM
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btw: do i have to feel frustrated if i couldnt work out very well the dictionary and word recognition game?




I don't think I got the dictionary thing to work exactly either, but I know that a book I have photoread is much easier to post-process than one I haven't photoread. That's enough of a carrot for me. The book is in there, accessible.
Posted By: matthat Re: BIG question - 05/15/07 10:25 AM
I had some success with the dictionary game and yet i've had enormous success with PR since.

I've recently read a book on leadership (Alpha Leadership by Robert Dilts - great book by the way), which is filled with anecdotes to make the point.

I am finding that each time I dip in to an anecdote, my head is filled with images, sounds and even smells, and i only have to dip the first paragraph of the anecdote to "get" the theory that the anecdote supports.

That to me is what PR is all about, and yet I was left fairly unimpressed with the dictionary game, so keep going and notice what *is" working rather than what isn't... if you think PR doesn't work for you then guess what, it doesn't!
Posted By: shakurav Re: BIG question - 05/15/07 06:11 PM

This makes all kinds of sense, Matt and I think I will try mind mapping more by hand to activate.


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Yes it's funny that I prefer to do hand-drawn mind maps particularly as I prefer to do everything else straight on to PC. However I find it easier to activate with a hand-drawn mind map, perhaps because I don't have to take my attention away from the book - I can have it in one hand whilst mind mapping with the other... somehow I feel that it's easier to "get inside" the content when mapping by hand.


Posted By: matthat Re: BIG question - 05/16/07 12:44 PM
Of course the other thing that PC mind maps don't do easily is images. That is, sometimes it's easier to represent something visually on a mind map than to write it in words, for example on a recent mind map i was trying to explain the importance of balance between stagnation and indecisiveness... instead I just drew some scales and put those words on either end, which is much easier for me to remember... doing this on a PC package means browsing through stock images, clipart or drawing it yourself - all for me detract from the activation at hand and perhaps filter out some of that "whole mind thinking" approach...?

Just my thoughts. There's a great example of how personal mind-maps can be on Alex's website:

http://www.photoreading.com.au/soa.html
Posted By: Alex K. Viefhaus Re: BIG question - 05/16/07 07:32 PM
People please be considerate of the the thread starter... All that mind mapping talk should have been on a new thread. If you see and idea that grabs your interest start a new topic.

Qi4Life seem to have had his questions overlooked.

Photofocus is a soft gaze like looking at stereograms or 3D images .The one in the manual is probably the most difficult to recognise find some on the web and play with them instead. Meanwhile as you are learning just use the imaginary X-technique. Notice the four corners and the white of the page. Just a soft gaze.

The dictionary game is just a game. Let it go and keep going with the course the brain wants the real McCoy not just a novelty game.

Alex
Posted By: Qi4Life Re: BIG question - 05/17/07 03:44 PM
Thank you very much everybody

I think im starting to get it =)
Posted By: Walker22 Re: BIG question - 05/21/07 03:57 AM
<<I have one question.... to be in photophocus the only thing i have to do is to not looking directly to the books pages/ looking without focus? >>

Hi Qi4Life,

I just started the home study PhotoReading course this week and in answer to your question, I would say to review page 46 of the PhotoReading book where it shows you the cocktail weenie effect/technique. If you can get that technique to work, you will be aware of your fingers but you won't be focused on them-your focus will be on some point just beyond your fingers. So, when you move to a book, you will be aware that there is text on the page but you won't be consciously noticing any exact words.

Does that help? Hope it makes sense.

Good luck!

Michael
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