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Originally posted by Dana Hanson:

The promise is that you will be able to get through information three times faster
than you can without the PhotoReading whole mind system. With use you can do much, much better.

Three Times Faster??? I am almost a hundred percent sure that the radio ads claim that PR is upto 18 times faster than speed reading. So does this mean that the ad is not true?

This is Pete's post from the "Don't get it" thread:

The 60-second radio ads do not mention 18 times faster.

The 30-minute radio and television programs repeat three times faster again and again. 18 times is mentioned in the "calls to action" on some versions of the program. Here is that portion of the script:

"With Photo Reading, you can absorb even complicated business and technical information at least 3 times faster almost instantly. And, as you’ve heard Pete say here on the show today, he has thousands of people going 5, 10, even 18 times faster with PhotoReading."

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Originally posted by Dana Hanson:
This is Pete's post from the "Don't get it" thread:

The 60-second radio ads do not mention 18 times faster.

The 30-minute radio and television programs repeat three times faster again and again. 18 times is mentioned in the "calls to action" on some versions of the program. Here is that portion of the script:

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Ohh please I know this is not true. I've heard the 60 second radio ads and they do say upto 18 times faster. If it is only 3 times faster then that would mean that you would be reading at about 700 wpm at most with photoreading. Don't most speed reading programs get you up that far?

I haven't seen the tv infomercials so I can't comment on them.

Doesn't the Four Powers for Greatness course also promise an increase of at least %300 in reading speed an comprehension with it's skittering style? ("Anf for people who take to it naturaly, there doesn't seem to be an upper limit.")

Nope - The 60-second ads say three times, unless they recorded a new version that we haven't approved, which isn't very likely.

Nonetheless, three times is the beginning whereas with most programs, including Four Powers, three times is pretty much it.

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Originally posted by Pete Bissonette:
Nope - The 60-second ads say three times, unless they recorded a new version that we haven't approved, which isn't very likely.

Nonetheless, three times is the beginning whereas with most programs, including Four Powers, three times is pretty much it.

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This should be easy to check since I do hear your ad at least once or twice a week on the radio. I am very much sure that you do say "upto 18 times faster" and that "it requires no practice like other speed reading techniques" along with "you can start in less than one or two hours".

I'll keep my ears open just to make sure my perceptions were correct.

I heard the radio ad once again this morning and it does say "up to 18 times faster" with "no practice required" and that "it goes directly into your memory" which you can recall years later if needed.

So which is it 3 times faster (as Dana and other have said) with faith and practice (as it has been stated on this message board countless amounts of time) or "18 ties faster with no practice required" (as the ad says)?

Hi prnewbie,

I think you haven't fully considered what the term "up to" means. The term "up to" as it is usually used in advertising, means _anything_ up to the stated maximum. Simply put, it could be any of 1x, 2x, 3x, ... , 18x.

Unfortunately, this is the kind of mistake that marketing departments count on. People have a tendency to delete (not hear or conveniently forget) the "up to" portion and only hear the 18x portion. Also unfortunately, this leads to customer dissatisfaction when they don't meet their self-inflated expectations.

Mike

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Originally posted by MikeB:
Hi prnewbie,

I think you haven't fully considered what the term "up to" means. The term "up to" as it is usually used in advertising, means _anything_ up to the stated maximum. Simply put, it could be any of 1x, 2x, 3x, ... , 18x.

Unfortunately, this is the kind of mistake that marketing departments count on. People have a tendency to delete (not hear or conveniently forget) the "up to" portion and only hear the 18x portion. Also unfortunately, this leads to customer dissatisfaction when they don't meet their self-inflated expectations.

Mike

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Trust me I know what "up to" means ok Mike. Kind of like "the bs on the message board is "up to" my ______ "

exactly how is it "self-inflated expectations" when an ad says you can read "up to 18 times faster with no practice required and that you will have the information available years later and instantly".

Enough already!!!!
regardless if 1x, 2x, or 18x faster, that is a vast improvement from where you are currently. Spend the time debating this to death or order the course and learn something really great and wonderful. If you are not going to learn the system, why worry about it? If you are going to learn the system why worry about??????

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Originally posted by allenhm:
Enough already!!!!
regardless if 1x, 2x, or 18x faster, that is a vast improvement from where you are currently. Spend the time debating this to death or order the course and learn something really great and wonderful. If you are not going to learn the system, why worry about it? If you are going to learn the system why worry about??????

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I just found Dana's and Pete replies seemed to imply that I was not hearing what I knew I was hearing.

Pete Wrote:
Nope - The 60-second ads say three times, unless they recorded a new version that we
haven't approved, which isn't very likely.

Dana wrote:
The 60-second radio ads do not mention 18 times faster.

All I know is that I heard the ad once more this morning and it does say upto 18 times faster with no practice required and long term retention.

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Originally posted by allenhm:
Enough already!!!!
If you are not going to learn the system, why worry about it? If you are going to learn the system why worry about??????

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Besides. As you would say. Enough Already. If you are already doing good with the course, why worry about me asking about the ad? If you are going to learn the system then why worry about me asking about the ad?

It's kinda like "Making a mountain out of a Mole Hill". Just learn the system. Any improvement is better than where you are now don't you'd think? If not, Oh Well!!!!!!!!!!

This is a good example of the concious mind and the subconcious mind. The critic and the performer. The concious mind analyze and critique, the subconcious mind is the doer. Squelch the critic and let the performer(subconcious mind)do what it does, and that is to do. DO THE SYSTEM!!!!!!!!

Well, I dug back through the old scripts and the ad you are hearing might be one from 1998 which had 18 Xs and no practice.

Technically the ad is accurate, but it would be more accurate to say 3 Xs with no practice, but practice if you want to go to 18 Xs.

Use the PhotoReading whole mind system on enough books and you will get there. You'd probably get their quicker if you used the system versus practicing the system.

Thanks Pete. You're on "10". Prnewbie, "Just Do The System",worry about statistics later if you must.

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Originally posted by Pete Bissonette:
Well, I dug back through the old scripts and the ad you are hearing might be one from 1998 which had 18 Xs and no practice.

Technically the ad is accurate, but it would be more accurate to say 3 Xs with no practice, but practice if you want to go to 18 Xs.

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I knew I wasn't just making it up thanks.

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Originally posted by allenhm:
It's kinda like "Making a mountain out of a Mole Hill". Just learn the system. Any improvement is better than where you are now don't you'd think? If not, Oh Well!!!!!!!!!!

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no i don't agree. 3x means about 600 wpm while 18x means about 3600 wpm so it does matter what the advertisement promises.

Whatever dude: While you are still pondering the mathematics over this subject, most if not all of us will have surpassed 25000 wpm while you are still worrying about 1x, 2x, 3x and 18x. Sorry that you will not be one of us. Let us know a few years from now did the math figure out correctly. Good Luck in whatever it is that you're doing!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by allenhm:
Whatever dude: While you are still pondering the mathematics over this subject, most if not all of us will have surpassed 25000 wpm while you are still worrying about 1x, 2x, 3x and 18x. Sorry that you will not be one of us. Let us know a few years from now did the math figure out correctly. Good Luck in whatever it is that you're doing!!!!!!!

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avg reading speed = 200 wpm
2x = 600 wpm
3x = 800 wpm
4x = 1000 wpm
5x = 1200 wpm
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10x = 2200 wpm
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18x = 3800 wpm

Dude go on believing that you can read upto 18 times faster as the ad says or three times faster as they now claim.

The "18 times" factors in activation. It is like finishing a book, that would take someone 10 hours to read regularly, in 1/2 hour with the PhotoReading whole mind system.

The "18 times" is what the best PhotoReaders do on a regular basis.

"3 times" is what most anyone can do immediately upon finishing the course.

Thanks once again Pete. It's 3 times faster than it would normally take for you to complete an entire book, Not 3 times WPM!!!!!
STOP BEING SOOOO ANAL!!!!!!!!@

allenh0m0 wrote:
"regardless if 1x, 2x, or 18x faster, that is a vast improvement from where you are currently."

Thats real smart allen, 1x faster is a real improvement of anything. Pay me 100bucks allen and I can make you 1x better in anything you do, GUARANTEED.

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