...is slowing me down in my sr/dips and rapidreading

any tips for moving past this?

I subvocalize... and I know from speed reading course this is the deadly sin.

Well in PR they don't deal with it. If you see the description of dipping you see you're supposed to go fast, really fast. You're to eat up whole ideas at a glance, not those little words.

I would suggest that if you Need to beat subvocalization, then relax and don't worry about it. You should make your goal to dip properly and not to get rid of subvocalization. It will happen naturally if you reach your goal.

There are other subvocalization threads, on the forum. I believe AlexK response is to read for 30 minutes and chant the entire time. At the end of the 30 minutes you will have stopped subvocalization. I personally have only lasted a few minutes at it. However, I don't doubt Alexk. Maybe I'll try again. I know I have read without subvocalization in the past and it's a blast.

Good luck, and have fun.

Iam2

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There are other subvocalization threads, on the forum. I believe AlexK response is to read for 30 minutes and chant the entire time. At the end of the 30 minutes you will have stopped subvocalization. I personally have only lasted a few minutes at it. However, I don't doubt Alexk. Maybe I'll try again. I know I have read without subvocalization in the past and it's a blast.

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Actually, just to note: Alex recommended saying the A sound over and over again, not chant. You'll find the recommendations here:
http://www.learningstrategies.com/forum/ubb/Forum8/HTML/002902.html
http://www.learningstrategies.com/forum/ubb/Forum8/HTML/002885.html

One more on nature sounds you might find useful:
http://www.learningstrategies.com/forum/ubb/Forum8/HTML/002452.html

Personally, I think of subvocalisation as a trivial matter - in some cases, it might actually help comprehension.

KWLee

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I wouldn't worry too much about subvocal. Its part of the learning process in which you should be able to control. You can turn on your verbal thinking at your command instead of trying to beat it to death. I find reading more relaxing on material I enjoy with subvocal. On textbook and factual stuff I try to get the words visually then subvocal. Mess around and see if your comprehension improves.

Why don't you try the hmmmmm... sound while your reading. For, so reason, while I was reading your article this just came to me. I tried reading a little bit, while doing this. It seems to get rid of the subvocalization.

Good job dude! Make sure your brain knows a book pronounciation to those words... PR the dictionary pronounciation guide and then the dictionary. By that, people wouldn't blame you for a non-phonic idiot.

my subvox were a problem because when i tried to push the speed all my comprehension went away, and my eyes even started to blur so i'd miss whole lines of text. but i see how saying other words can help; my speed has picked up already and so i'm going to practice more tonight. thanx everyone

Subvocalisation is a habit that can be broken but for now just try playing with it (PR cliche). Why not try instead of sub-vocalising all the words just cut it down to the significant key words in the text. Use subvocalisation as a mental highlighter.

Worth a thought

Nick

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my subvox were a problem because when i tried to push the speed all my comprehension went away, and my eyes even started to blur so i'd miss whole lines of text. but i see how saying other words can help; my speed has picked up already and so i'm going to practice more tonight. thanx everyone

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Actually, one key point of the superreading step is to open up your vision with the tangerine technique. It isn't really reading so fast that it becomes a blur, but being aware of blocks of text at once and then zooming in when you pick up something of interest. You may be missing a point by trying to speed up your zooming in instead of working on opening up your vision to pick up what you need.

KWLee

Skitter.

It's that easy.

Rather than pushing your brain not to subvocalize while moving your eyes about the same way, allow your brain to find a new way to move your eyes.

Now, you're going to run into the Keyboarding Paradox. That paradox is, if you go from hunt-n-peck to a systematic keyboarding technique, you're going to reduce your typing speed. Skittering will probably slow down your reading speed. (There is a chart in the Photoreading manual showing skittering as being about 100 wpm slower than superreading).

As your brain compensates for the inability to make sense of subvocalized skittering, you will increase speed.